Trump's SCOTUS

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Your insistence that your principles are amoral confuses me.

You’ll have to provide some examples?

Is life part of your morality? How about truth? Respect? Violence? Masculinity? The Ten Commandments? I have no idea what morals you’re talking about?

If you can claim it but I disagree, that’s subjective. I’m willing to kill you over liberty, that’s objective.

The example is you claim that "liberty" is not a moral principle. Right on wrong may be subjective, but that your morality is based on the principle of liberty seems purely descriptive. I'm confused why you don't want to call it morality.

[Martin Hash]

It’s objective.

Give me a list of objective principles and I’ll not think you’re talking about morality.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

This 'objective' means 'not moral' bit is the thing that confuses me.

[Martin Hash]

R U really claiming you don’t think morals R subjective?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

R U really claiming you don’t think morals R subjective?

They are exactly as subjective or objective as the principles that underpin them - or, at least, that is what I understand the word means, and I have no reason to redefine the term.

You seem to want to disentangle principles from the concept of morality, and I am curious why.

[Martin Hash]

R U really claiming you don’t think morals R subjective?

They are exactly as subjective or objective as the principles that underpin them - or, at least, that is what I understand the word means, and I have no reason to redefine the term.

You seem to want to disentangle principles from the concept of morality, and I am curious why.

Who needs two words if they mean the same thing? R U a “liberty” is a synonym of “freedom” guy?

Science has principles, morals don’t.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

R U really claiming you don’t think morals R subjective?

They are exactly as subjective or objective as the principles that underpin them - or, at least, that is what I understand the word means, and I have no reason to redefine the term.

You seem to want to disentangle principles from the concept of morality, and I am curious why.

Who needs two words if they mean the same thing? R U a “liberty” is a synonym of “freedom” guy?

Science has principles, morals don’t.

They don't mean the same thing. If liberty is the principle, then the way you sort actions or arrive at conclusions based on that principle is morality. I think that is a salient distinction that applies to science as well.

'Who needs more words' is an Ingsoc-approved sentiment, though.

[Martin Hash]

Vision & sound are inscrutable things, which lead to illusions in images & words; I’m here to clarify misleading interpretations.

Morals are subjective; you can compromise.
Principles are objective; you must enforce them.

We can fudge the morals but your principles better match my principles.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Vision & sound are inscrutable things, which lead to illusions in images & words; I’m here to clarify misleading interpretations.

Morals are subjective; you can compromise.
Principles are objective; you must enforce them.

We can fudge the morals but your principles better match my principles.

In that case, my initial argument that we should view being principled as a strength rather than a weakness to be abandoned cynically was, as far as I can tell, right in line with your definitions.

[Xenophon]

Vision & sound are inscrutable things, which lead to illusions in images & words; I’m here to clarify misleading interpretations.

Morals are subjective; you can compromise.
Principles are objective; you must enforce them.

We can fudge the morals but your principles better match my principles.

In that case, my initial argument that we should view being principled as a strength rather than a weakness to be abandoned cynically was, as far as I can tell, right in line with your definitions.

Only if the principles are enforced, which they aren't.