What show are you watching right now?

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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:26 am

StCapps wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:According to StCapps, that's absolutely necessary in order to make it on tv, and you're a fool for wanting more content. :D
If you think you can adapt a novel straight over to television and not skip over anything, while still having an entertaining television show, point me to the example of such a TV show. Y'all are talking about a unicorn that does not exist, fronting like if TV shows just did things your way, then that would make every tv show adapted from a novel better, but it won't.

There is a thing called too much content, more content is not always a good thing, especially if you are doing more content just for the sake of having more content. Just because you like GoT so much that you'd watch 15+ seasons of it with 3x the filler, that doesn't mean that everyone else will. Sometimes source material holds a TV show back, and in the case of GoT, they stay too faithful to the books as it is. The TV show is better than the books, when it comes to GoT, you are just in denial about it and would prefer to ruin the show for those who already realize this.
Last season is rushed and filled with plot holes. Also breaking the wheel did not have a proper setup neither did the religious revolution that led to Cersei's shame walk.

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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:40 am

Hwen Hoshino wrote:
StCapps wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:According to StCapps, that's absolutely necessary in order to make it on tv, and you're a fool for wanting more content. :D
If you think you can adapt a novel straight over to television and not skip over anything, while still having an entertaining television show, point me to the example of such a TV show. Y'all are talking about a unicorn that does not exist, fronting like if TV shows just did things your way, then that would make every tv show adapted from a novel better, but it won't.

There is a thing called too much content, more content is not always a good thing, especially if you are doing more content just for the sake of having more content. Just because you like GoT so much that you'd watch 15+ seasons of it with 3x the filler, that doesn't mean that everyone else will. Sometimes source material holds a TV show back, and in the case of GoT, they stay too faithful to the books as it is. The TV show is better than the books, when it comes to GoT, you are just in denial about it and would prefer to ruin the show for those who already realize this.
Last season is rushed and filled with plot holes. Also breaking the wheel did not have a proper setup neither did the religious revolution that led to Cersei's shame walk.
Those residents of King's Landing are extremely pacified. They went from an invasion, dragonfire everywhere, 3 kings killed within a year or two, to a massive religious uprising, to their entire ancient church getting blown up, and nothing... Almost as if they were 2-dimensional prop pieces in a shit-writing show...
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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by StCapps » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:04 am

They've been building towards the breaking the wheel things for the entire show, it's been Daenarys schtick since she freed the Unsullied, from "breaker of chains" to "breaking the wheel", there is not a big leap there.
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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by Hwen Hoshino » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:15 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Hwen Hoshino wrote:
StCapps wrote:If you think you can adapt a novel straight over to television and not skip over anything, while still having an entertaining television show, point me to the example of such a TV show. Y'all are talking about a unicorn that does not exist, fronting like if TV shows just did things your way, then that would make every tv show adapted from a novel better, but it won't.

There is a thing called too much content, more content is not always a good thing, especially if you are doing more content just for the sake of having more content. Just because you like GoT so much that you'd watch 15+ seasons of it with 3x the filler, that doesn't mean that everyone else will. Sometimes source material holds a TV show back, and in the case of GoT, they stay too faithful to the books as it is. The TV show is better than the books, when it comes to GoT, you are just in denial about it and would prefer to ruin the show for those who already realize this.
Last season is rushed and filled with plot holes. Also breaking the wheel did not have a proper setup neither did the religious revolution that led to Cersei's shame walk.
Those residents of King's Landing are extremely pacified. They went from an invasion, dragonfire everywhere, 3 kings killed within a year or two, to a massive religious uprising, to their entire ancient church getting blown up, and nothing... Almost as if they were 2-dimensional prop pieces in a shit-writing show...
Pacified, the nobolity does not stop, they kepp killing and raiding.
StCapps wrote:They've been building towards the breaking the wheel things for the entire show, it's been Daenarys schtick since she freed the Unsullied, from "breaker of chains" to "breaking the wheel", there is not a big leap there.
Anomalies at best, not world changing events in terms of a social revolution long term.

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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by StCapps » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:24 am

Hwen Hoshino wrote:
StCapps wrote:They've been building towards the breaking the wheel things for the entire show, it's been Daenarys schtick since she freed the Unsullied, from "breaker of chains" to "breaking the wheel", there is not a big leap there.
Anomalies at best, not world changing events in terms of a social revolution long term.
The point is they set up that she's going to change the game under her rule, far in advance, it was properly set up and was completely unsurprising. It might be her undoing in the end but the queen of the downtrodden doesn't seem to care.
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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by SilverEagle » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:20 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Hwen Hoshino wrote:
StCapps wrote:If you think you can adapt a novel straight over to television and not skip over anything, while still having an entertaining television show, point me to the example of such a TV show. Y'all are talking about a unicorn that does not exist, fronting like if TV shows just did things your way, then that would make every tv show adapted from a novel better, but it won't.

There is a thing called too much content, more content is not always a good thing, especially if you are doing more content just for the sake of having more content. Just because you like GoT so much that you'd watch 15+ seasons of it with 3x the filler, that doesn't mean that everyone else will. Sometimes source material holds a TV show back, and in the case of GoT, they stay too faithful to the books as it is. The TV show is better than the books, when it comes to GoT, you are just in denial about it and would prefer to ruin the show for those who already realize this.
Last season is rushed and filled with plot holes. Also breaking the wheel did not have a proper setup neither did the religious revolution that led to Cersei's shame walk.
Those residents of King's Landing are extremely pacified. They went from an invasion, dragonfire everywhere, 3 kings killed within a year or two, to a massive religious uprising, to their entire ancient church getting blown up, and nothing... Almost as if they were 2-dimensional prop pieces in a shit-writing show...
1. It's a TV show, not a book. They can't spend more time on setting up the entire backdrop of the show. People would get bored with it and ratings would drop and we all know the mighty dollar is the driving force in the end.
2. Season 7 was not bad but it did feel rushed due to the 7 episodes covering about 1 to 2 years of Westeros time.
3. The writing was a bit thin for sure but there is enough time to add things in for season 8 since shooting doesn't start for another month.
4. Season 8 is expected to have 6 episode, each with run times of 80 mins to 90 mins and there are only two major issues to address. 1. The army of the dead. 2. Cersei. With that much run time they can take care of all the loose ends.
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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:52 am

I have no doubt that they can wrap it up quickly. Hell, just run a final battle/Cersei execution montage and get it done in 5 minutes.

Then what have you got? Nothing.
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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by StCapps » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:01 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:I have no doubt that they can wrap it up quickly. Hell, just run a final battle/Cersei execution montage and get it done in 5 minutes.

Then what have you got? Nothing.
Six episodes left for all the filer your heart desires. I'm sure you would enjoy it, everyone else, not so much.
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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:03 am

Yes, no doubt it will be a miserable slog for most, an entire 6-8 hours of the biggest show in tv history before it disappears forever. What a miserable fate to sit through all of that.

Hey wait! You can just get the summary online afterwards! Whew... what a relief - I nearly had to watch that thing that I've loved for 8 years.
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Re: What show are you watching right now?

Post by StCapps » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:05 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Yes, no doubt it will be a miserable slog for most, an entire 6-8 hours of the biggest show in tv history before it disappears forever. What a miserable fate to sit through all of that.

Hey wait! You can just get the summary online afterwards! Whew... what a relief - I nearly had to watch that thing that I've loved for 8 years.
Shows can go on too long, in case you weren't aware, better to go out before you suck ass, then wait until you do. Quality matters and quantity is overrated. TV used to milk shit dry like that, back when there was nothing good on tv, and that was a big reason why there was nothing good on TV. Any good idea that came along would eventually be ruined by having to keep make episodes until people stop watching because they were too dumb to know any better.

So why you are advocating going back to that shitty model is beyond me, most good television shows these days deliberately avoid that fate, for good reason. It's hard to keep unserialized television show going without a slip in quality, and serialized shows have an even shorter shelf life before they slip in quality. There is no serialized TV drama that has gone 15+ seasons and has maintained greatness for it's entire run, so why would you expect GoT to be any different if they stretched out the story the way that you suggest? You think more of something you enjoy is preferable, but that is not always true, especially when it comes to TV. Sometimes less really is more.
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