Trump's Economic Plan

[Calculus Man]

Trump and the Congressional Republicans have made it clear that they are going to tackle Obamacare and tax reform before infrastructure. Given the complexity of those issues, I am doubtful as to whether we'll see an infrastructure bill before the midterms. I didn't say anything about Trump doing it himself...I'm just pointing out that I believe he will be judged based on jobs and economic growth.

The best thing Trump can possibly do is to help provide the nation with a more laissez faire atmosphere concerning the private sector. The fact that we're compelled to distinguish between the private and public sectors is a huge problem in itself. Incentivising competition alone may go a long way towards rebuilding America's infrastructure. His complaints about our nation's airports are valid (I've never been afraid of flying, but the showing up hours early, waiting in line only to wait longer on the tarmac, and forgoing the fucking peanuts because someone, on some flight, somewhere, may be allergic, has become insufferable.) The President cannot simply fix all the airports by throwing cash at them--the best he can do--by my way of thinking--is get out of the way; I'm fortunate enough to have a choice of major airports, and some I avoid to the best of my ability. Let's give Trump at least a little credit for not campaigning on shovel-ready shit--shall we?
And I will judge him on jobs and economic growth!
Priority--USA! USA! USA! First put on your own oxygen mask, then you help your neighbors with theirs.

I can get on board with that. The airport thing isn't my, ahem, first priority either. Also, I'm flexible about what I call "infrastructure". Space travel infrastructure would be really, really cool for them to include.

[C-Mag]

Reports are coming out that Trump may delay his infrastructure investment until 2018. So there's some red meat for ya BroGrump. Trump is putting off a campaign promise.

Personally, I'm fine with this. I like infrastructure repair, but we've seen with BHOs hasty implementation of 'Shovel Ready' jobs program led to a lot of waste and corruption.

Honestly, this is the biggest threat to Trump's success that I see on the horizon. His legacy is obviously dependent on how the economy performs, and I don't see how we are going to get substantial growth with just tax cuts and TrumpCare.

Infrastructure should have been the first priority.

Well, we've kind of talked about this before. New Construction is sexy, repairing or maintaining old is not. So, we are going to get a great big new sexy wall, with a big beautiful door in it. First because Trump seems to really be making a point of keeping his promises. I don't know why, the bar was pretty low. Maybe he's been stewing on the couch for years about Presidents not keeping promises. Second. Having a wall named after you is sexy, Hadrian is known for one thing.

[C-Mag]

His success will depend upon whether he destroys the democratic party as a national political force. All this other stuff is fluff. If you still want a republic where we all get along and don't decide to kill each other for hegemonic domination, the democratic party has to be annihilated.

The people on the left who still believe in liberalism, freedom, and coexistence need to make like David Ruben and quit that evil political institution right the fuck now. We are a lot closer to deadly violence than many seem to believe.



The democratic party has become an enemy of the republic at this point. You choose to disbelieve that at your own peril.

I understand where you're coming from on this Doc. We are in an ideological Civil War, it won't end until one side is crushed. On one side are the people opposed to Donald Trump as POTUS(primarily coastal Urbanites), on the other, everyone else. That 20-30 % that can't stand Trump are amping up in at various levels from I don't want to hear his name to it's open season on anyone who supports Trump. These people aren't going to accept Trump if he cures cancer. They have become seditionists.

David Rubin is new to me, like this week new to me. But the guy seems to be in control of his own mind. That said, he needs to learn more about early Progressives and realize, the Progressives he is leaving are the same Progressive mindset of the early 20th C. I love that he is putting Classic Liberalism out there as a political ideology, it's what I'm closest too. Rubin, don't go and fuck up the definition of Classic Liberalism.

[ssu]

We are in an ideological Civil War, it won't end until one side is crushed.

With Trump, let's see just what side will be "crushed" in the end. And simply it's delusional to think that "leftism" or "the right" will go away in a democracy. Even in a totalitarian system the other side is just repressed, banned, etc. but will come out if you give people true political freedom.

Anyway, I see no end to the continuing division in US politics. It's only to get worse. But seems that you guys want that and think that the opposition "can be crushed". And as Trump continues to face problems and likely won't save the day, the next "enemy of the people" will be likely the left, the democrats. Especially if they win mid-terms. So it's not going to be the Chinese, the Russians or even ISIS, it's going to be your fellow Americans who oppose you.

In truth how you can influence the other side of the political spectrum is simply by policies that everybody notices to be working. Basically that they take the other sides policies and implement them to be theirs. Good examples of this is social security in the US. Another is the War on Terror, that the democrat hawks took as normal procedure. That takes a long time and truly isn't made with fiery Bannon-like rhetoric of us vs them.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Reports are coming out that Trump may delay his infrastructure investment until 2018. So there's some red meat for ya BroGrump. Trump is putting off a campaign promise.

Personally, I'm fine with this. I like infrastructure repair, but we've seen with BHOs hasty implementation of 'Shovel Ready' jobs program led to a lot of waste and corruption.

Honestly, this is the biggest threat to Trump's success that I see on the horizon. His legacy is obviously dependent on how the economy performs, and I don't see how we are going to get substantial growth with just tax cuts and TrumpCare.

Infrastructure should have been the first priority.

Well, we've kind of talked about this before. New Construction is sexy, repairing or maintaining old is not. So, we are going to get a great big new sexy wall, with a big beautiful door in it. First because Trump seems to really be making a point of keeping his promises. I don't know why, the bar was pretty low. Maybe he's been stewing on the couch for years about Presidents not keeping promises. Second. Having a wall named after you is sexy, Hadrian is known for one thing.

His wall failed, too.

[Calculus Man]

A wall can't fail if it hasn't been built yet.

Seriously, try to make an honest argument once in a while. You may think you're providing right/left balance around here, but all you're really doing is providing smart/stupid balance.

[Calculus Man]

His success will depend upon whether he destroys the democratic party as a national political force. All this other stuff is fluff. If you still want a republic where we all get along and don't decide to kill each other for hegemonic domination, the democratic party has to be annihilated.

The people on the left who still believe in liberalism, freedom, and coexistence need to make like David Ruben and quit that evil political institution right the fuck now. We are a lot closer to deadly violence than many seem to believe.

[video]

The democratic party has become an enemy of the republic at this point. You choose to disbelieve that at your own peril.

Interesting. How do you think Trump accomplishes this? How do we help accomplish this?

I'm going to answer my own question. Trump needs to do some trust busting. First up: Google.

[SuburbanFarmer]

A wall can't fail if it hasn't been built yet.

Seriously, try to make an honest argument once in a while. You may think you're providing right/left balance around here, but all you're really doing is providing smart/stupid balance.

We already know it will fail. The fucking Mexicans have achieved tunneling technology, and the majority of illegals are here on expired visas anyway.

It's a complete canard, and only appeals to the most ignorant rust-belt trailer folk.

[Calculus Man]

1. No we don't.
2. Tunnel-detection technology.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/tunnel-det ... za-border/
http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2016 ... el-system/

What's the opposite of a nice try? Rude try, dude.

[Okeefenokee]

A wall can't fail if it hasn't been built yet.

Seriously, try to make an honest argument once in a while. You may think you're providing right/left balance around here, but all you're really doing is providing smart/stupid balance.

We already know it will fail. The fucking Mexicans have achieved tunneling technology, and the majority of illegals are here on expired visas anyway.

It's a complete canard, and only appeals to the most ignorant rust-belt trailer folk.

That's the spirit!

With defeatism like this, how in heavens did they lose all three branches?