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Re: Russian trolls

Post by nmoore63 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:17 pm

Anglo American alliance with Germany post Germany crushing France in ww1 is not even close to a plausible thing.

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Re: Russian trolls

Post by nmoore63 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:19 pm

American German alliance over something like Ireland v French British Russia more plausible.

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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:20 pm

Again, if not a world war then not a total war of annihilation, France is not crushed, it's Franco-Prussian War II, the French are defeated but not annihilated, the French capitulate, the Germans offer terms, the French give up overseas territories to the Germans, the Germans go home with their spoils.

Anglo-America would have very likely been the arbiter to negotiate the settlement, and Germany would be their new best friend, because Anglo-America loves a winner.
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:25 pm

There was nothing in the German war plan which called for the French to be crushed, quite the opposite, the Russians were the ones to be crushed, the plan was to knock the French out of the war as quickly as possible, not raze Paris to ground. As soon as the French asked for terms, the Germans would have given them, so they could turn back to the East against the Russians.
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by nmoore63 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:28 pm

you are kidding yourself with legitimate questions concerning the Great War.

German would have got huge chunks of Russia and France.

Britain would have allied against greater Germany just like they did greater France Napoleon.

There was always going to be said collision.

Even though it certainly didn’t have to happen then.

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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:30 pm

Franco-Prussian War II is in the 19th century paradigm, this is not the Nazis, stop looking at it through your World War II coloured glasses, the Germans had no desire to annihilate the French as a people and burn the whole place to ground, at least, not until it became a total war for all the marbles, with the entry of Anglo-America.
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Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:35 pm

The Germans weren't interested in huge tracks of France, Germany wanted its Place in the Sun, and the Place in the Sun was overseas, the Germans would have handed back French territory, when the French surrendered their overseas territories, which Anglo-America would not consider to be a deal breaker, Anglo-America would have simply cozied up to the Germans, as their new client, London and New York would have been loaning them money and taking the vig on it.

Anglo-America would have been the brokers of the deal, France gives colonies to Germany, Germany takes their spoils and goes home, Anglo-America funds the recovery and takes interest payments on it.
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by nmoore63 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:37 pm

I never said anything about nazis.

You literally have nothing that backs up Britain being ok with a one power continent.

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Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:41 pm

nmoore63 wrote:I never said anything about nazis.
No, but you're asserting it to be a deal breaking total war of annihilation which could not be ended in the West with terms, which is WWII, when the Imperial Germans were not on ideological crusade, they were simply trying to knock the French out quickly, they had no intention of expending resources and energy in the occupation and subjugation of the French, Nazi style, the German war plan for the French was transactional, and in order to get Anglo-America onside, the Germans would have been perfectly open to said transaction.
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Re: Russian trolls

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:46 pm

nmoore63 wrote:You literally have nothing that backs up Britain being ok with a one power continent.
The British at this point were not so concerned with the Continent anymore, they had gone global, they were all about the Far East and India, the Germans wanted their Place in the Sun, they weren't looking to take India from the British, the British were more worried about the Americans at this point, American public opinion and Wall Street banks were far more important, the German Navy could be contained, so long as the British kept America onside.
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