The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:01 pm

heydaralon wrote:
StCapps wrote:
BjornP wrote:Just so I get the facts straight: That the French are white, does that make their whiteness an ethnicity too, though? Do French-Canadians iow have two ethnicities, or is French an ethnicity and "White" maybe the name of something other than an ethnicity?
French is the predominant ethnicity in Quebec.
White is predominant race in Quebec.
Not all White Ethno States are French Ethno States.
Not all French Ethno States are White Ethno States.
Quebec is both a French Ethno State and a White Ethno State.

See how that works? It isn't rocket science, you guys are overthinking things.
Capps, in your opinion, what are some non-white ethno states in the current world? Do any exist? Do you consider Japan one?
Apparently, any country with a majority black population is a "Black Ethno-State", so... most of Africa?
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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by heydaralon » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:03 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
heydaralon wrote:
StCapps wrote:French is the predominant ethnicity in Quebec.
White is predominant race in Quebec.
Not all White Ethno States are French Ethno States.
Not all French Ethno States are White Ethno States.
Quebec is both a French Ethno State and a White Ethno State.

See how that works? It isn't rocket science, you guys are overthinking things.
Capps, in your opinion, what are some non-white ethno states in the current world? Do any exist? Do you consider Japan one?
Apparently, any country with a majority black population is a "Black Ethno-State", so... most of Africa?
Maybe by default idk. I thought that South Africa, despite the policies it enacts, explicitly does not define itself as an ehtno-state. The flag is supposed to represent as much, as well as the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that happened in the 90's. Mandela wasn't much of a leader imo, but his (stated maybe not practiced) goal was to bring the diverse groups in the country together.
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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by StCapps » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:05 pm

heydaralon wrote:
StCapps wrote:
BjornP wrote:Just so I get the facts straight: That the French are white, does that make their whiteness an ethnicity too, though? Do French-Canadians iow have two ethnicities, or is French an ethnicity and "White" maybe the name of something other than an ethnicity?
French is the predominant ethnicity in Quebec.
White is predominant race in Quebec.
Not all White Ethno States are French Ethno States.
Not all French Ethno States are White Ethno States.
Quebec is both a French Ethno State and a White Ethno State.

See how that works? It isn't rocket science, you guys are overthinking things.
Capps, in your opinion, what are some non-white ethno states in the current world? Do any exist? Do you consider Japan one?
Japan, South Korea, China and India are some examples Non-White Jus Sanguinis Ethno States.
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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by StCapps » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:08 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Apparently, any country with a majority black population is a "Black Ethno-State", so... most of Africa?
Some African nations are Black Ethno States, but not any country with a majority black population is automatically a Ethno State by default. But yeah any country with majority black population that also happens to be an Ethno State, is a Black Ethno State. Haiti is an example of Jus Sanguinis Black Ethno State.
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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by heydaralon » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:09 pm

StCapps wrote:
heydaralon wrote:
StCapps wrote:French is the predominant ethnicity in Quebec.
White is predominant race in Quebec.
Not all White Ethno States are French Ethno States.
Not all French Ethno States are White Ethno States.
Quebec is both a French Ethno State and a White Ethno State.

See how that works? It isn't rocket science, you guys are overthinking things.
Capps, in your opinion, what are some non-white ethno states in the current world? Do any exist? Do you consider Japan one?
Japan, South Korea, China and India are some examples Non-White Jus Sanguinis Ethno States.
India is a bit trickier imo, because they have castes, muslims, and hindus. From my limited understanding, the caste system is about the same as a race over there, but that gets us into all kinds of weird discussions on race v. class. I don't fully get how you would define an ethno state if you already have different ethnic groups living there. Japan is an insular culture on an island in a position to restrict Gaijin, but many places already have diverse people living there. Even China is not really homogenous, with the Hmong, Cantonese, Uighurs etc. Those dudes living in the gobi desert are so far from what we view as sterotypically Chinese, they might as well be a different group.
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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by StCapps » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:12 pm

heydaralon wrote:India is a bit trickier imo, because they have castes, muslims, and hindus. From my limited understanding, the caste system is about the same as a race over there, but that gets us into all kinds of weird discussions on race v. class. I don't fully get how you would define an ethno state if you already have different ethnic groups living there. Japan is an insular culture on an island in a position to restrict Gaijin, but many places already have diverse people living there. Even China is not really homogenous, with the Hmong, Cantonese, Uighurs etc. Those dudes living in the gobi desert are so far from what we view as sterotypically Chinese, they might as well be a different group.
Other ethnic groups living among the ethnic majority in an Ethno State, does not disqualify a state from being an Ethno State.
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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:13 pm

nah. Castes are separate from race. Non-Indians are called raksasa or something like that. Basically foreign demons.

Also, the Muslims for the part are the same race. They just converted to Islam. There are Christians too. Same race, though.

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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:24 pm

Hey, member that time I posted a definition of Ethno-State?
ethnostate
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Etymology

ethno- +‎ state
Noun

ethnostate (plural ethnostates)

A political unit that is populated by and run in the interest of an ethnic group
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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by StCapps » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:31 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Hey, member that time I posted a definition of Ethno-State?
ethnostate
English
Etymology

ethno- +‎ state
Noun

ethnostate (plural ethnostates)

A political unit that is populated by and run in the interest of an ethnic group
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Notice how the definition doesn't only include "....run in the interests of all ethnic groups of the same race", that is only one particular variety of ethnostate, yet some folks seem to think it's the only kind of ethno state that there is.
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Re: The left vs the 23% white separatist contingent

Post by heydaralon » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:31 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Hey, member that time I posted a definition of Ethno-State?
ethnostate
English
Etymology

ethno- +‎ state
Noun

ethnostate (plural ethnostates)

A political unit that is populated by and run in the interest of an ethnic group
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