US Whigs or U.K.?Smitty-48 wrote:The Republicans are quite obviously the Tories of America, the Lefties are clearly the Whigs.C-Mag wrote:Hey Smitty, we don't consider these Lefties Yanks, they're Torries, just haven't crossed the border yet.
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Well they're similar, it's just a question of where sovereignty emanates from in a republic rather than a monarchy, the British Whigs opposed the absolute sovereignty of the hereditary king, the American whigs opposed the absolute sovereignty of the elected king. To the Left, is away from Executive authority, a Crown by any other name, and towards the unwashed masses.The Conservative wrote:US Whigs or U.K.?Smitty-48 wrote:The Republicans are quite obviously the Tories of America, the Lefties are clearly the Whigs.C-Mag wrote:Hey Smitty, we don't consider these Lefties Yanks, they're Torries, just haven't crossed the border yet.
Whereas a Tory would say "When The Crown Does It, That Means That It Is Not Ollegal", or "Contraband of War, By Any Means Necessary" or "NSA Domestic Wiretaps, War Meaures"; to wit; Commander-in-Chief Uber Alles.
Abraham Lincoln to Richard Nixon to George W, Bush; an absolutist Crown by any other name, to the American Tories.
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It wasn't spray and pray--did you hear the audio? If you listen carefully, you can hear the difference between the pistol shots (big booms) and the semi-auto little .223's.Smitty-48 wrote:Ah, one witness just said "the gate to the field was locked, he was trying to get in, but he couldn't", that could explain it, I was wondering why he wouldn't just walk around popping people with impunity point blank. So he was just a bad shot after all.
He's in the catbird seat, prone position with the scope, but starts popping off "double taps" according to the witnesses, lucky that, there but by the grace of spray n' pray nation go they.
He only got off a few shots before...
TWO CAPITOL POLICE OFFICERS RETURNED FIRE!
Both were wounded.
They took him down.
Hitting bullseyes at the range takes a little practice; hitting bullseyes when your targets are firing back at you is different... but you wouldn't know anything about that, would you, Smitty?
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Quite frankly, with the fiendishly accurate AR and five-five-six inside 100m, headshots are childsplay just over iron sights, the scope was probably more a burden than a boon with arcs at that range, and any sort of rapid fire was totally unecessary, single aimed shots with an AR inside 100, can't miss really, unless you're a complete and total neophyte that is. As to being shot at, I've been shot at on multiple occasions, and didn't actually have any adverse reaction to it, until some time after, so the whole pee your pants and can't shoot straight with the rounds snapping past you doesn't ring true to me, it's one thing to know you're about to die, but in the moment, unless its the forlorn hope, you don't actually think that, you're just thinking "hey, that was a bullet that just wizzed by, that's odd, I'll probably be upset about that, later..."
In real time, there's no fear, only adrenaline, but that is not difficult to manage, just because someone shoots at you, doens't mean you fold up into a ball, quite the opposite, things seem to slow down rather, the adrenaline actually heightens your perception it doesn't dull it. Adrenaline is not an impairment, it's more like a booster shot to the brain. The surge of adrenaline, it's like a flash of superpowers, you see better, you move faster, you think faster, everything is slowed down while you are sped up.
In real time, there's no fear, only adrenaline, but that is not difficult to manage, just because someone shoots at you, doens't mean you fold up into a ball, quite the opposite, things seem to slow down rather, the adrenaline actually heightens your perception it doesn't dull it. Adrenaline is not an impairment, it's more like a booster shot to the brain. The surge of adrenaline, it's like a flash of superpowers, you see better, you move faster, you think faster, everything is slowed down while you are sped up.
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Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:It wasn't spray and pray--did you hear the audio? If you listen carefully, you can hear the difference between the pistol shots (big booms) and the semi-auto little .223's.Smitty-48 wrote:Ah, one witness just said "the gate to the field was locked, he was trying to get in, but he couldn't", that could explain it, I was wondering why he wouldn't just walk around popping people with impunity point blank. So he was just a bad shot after all.
He's in the catbird seat, prone position with the scope, but starts popping off "double taps" according to the witnesses, lucky that, there but by the grace of spray n' pray nation go they.
From the sound of that, that's is not an AR.
That's a 7.62, it has a distinctive sound when fired at you.
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O,tell us about that time you stormed the breech at Badajoz as part of the forlorn hope, and all the other times you've been shot at though you've previously said you never went to war. Did you visit Detroit in honor of Brock and Tecumseh and get caught in Crip-Blood crossfire? Tell us, master at arms!
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You don't hear two different sounds?C-Mag wrote:From the sound of that, that's is not an AR.
That's a 7.62, it has a distinctive sound when fired at you.
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War is operational deployment for the full spectrum of combat operations under Chapter 7 rules of engagement, that, I have never been called upon for, but I never said I haven't been shot at. As for master of arms, just a fact, there's no general platform I haven't mastered at this point, from sidearm to TOW missile, and I could plan and execute the full range of tactical missions, from section to company level, and nothing about Chapter 7 rules of engagement would particularly enhance my training, in fact, skills degrade on operational deployment, because most of the time you're not training, you barely even do PT.Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:O,tell us about that time you stormed the breech at Badajoz as part of the forlorn hope, and all the other times you've been shot at though you've previously said you never went to war. Did you visit Detroit in honor of Brock and Tecumseh and get caught in Crip-Blood crossfire? Tell us, master at arms!
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The deep reports, those are 7.62. AndI don't think it's an AKM (AK47), they have a little sharper report. Not a 308 either. So that leaves us with a SKS, SVT 40, Dragonov, all sound similar and then you have the Mini 30.Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:You don't hear two different sounds?C-Mag wrote:From the sound of that, that's is not an AR.
That's a 7.62, it has a distinctive sound when fired at you.
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Compare Sig Sauer 226 9mm (DC capitol police standard issue)C-Mag wrote:The deep reports, those are 7.62. AndI don't think it's an AKM (AK47), they have a little sharper report. Not a 308 either. So that leaves us with a SKS, SVT 40, Dragonov, all sound similar and then you have the Mini 30.Alexander PhiAlipson wrote:You don't hear two different sounds?C-Mag wrote:From the sound of that, that's is not an AR.
That's a 7.62, it has a distinctive sound when fired at you.
And M4 5.56mm:
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