Climate Denier Hard To Refute

[SuburbanFarmer]

"Accepting it" implies going with the narrative. How about we just pay attention to both arguments until it doesn't seem like bullshit. How come only "Climate Scientists" & celebrities can understand Climate Science. What can't a guy with 3 doctorates? Why can't the informed people on this forum understand? You don't have to prepare for the Climate Apocalypse just yet, I'll let you know...

It's certainly not hard to understand. We live on a paper-thin bubble of air around a rock. We pump a trillion tons of carbon into the air, which traps heat. You can see the effects on both poles, without anything but a camera. Every one of us can see the effects in weather patterns where we live.

You can make it as tricky as you want to, but it's right there in front of you.

[Martin Hash]

What? So only Climate Scientists, celebrities, and YOU understand Climate Change?

[heydaralon]

It's real, it's happening, whatever background cycle is going on is vastly overshadowed by the effect of our emissions, and it's going to lead to mass starvation, displacement, and war. But the good news is, there's nothing you can do about it, short of overthrowing the entire global system.

My opinon: it's too late anyway. Just enjoy your time, and teach the kids to grow food.

I don't really see how you can conclude that. We keep finding out that all the data is cooked. We find out that the climate change has "paused". We can all see how the universities have been overrun with party-minded ideologues that want to fight for the cause rather than seek the truth. We can see the media lying left and right on the daily.

At some point, a reasonable human being should become quite skeptical of this stuff. How many lies do you have to be manipulated by before you get skeptical?

That's one side of the bubble. There's another side with equally compelling arguments to show that you're being a fool. Doesn't matter either way.

The "controversy" has paralyzed any possible response, and protected the megacorps from any responsibility for what's happening. It's not going to change, so accept it.

I am not trying to insult you with this question GCF, but if you think the situation with the climate is so hopeless, why have children? Don't you think that if the world is turning into a real life version of McCarthy's the Road, its the last place a child should be? Again, that question came off assholish, and I apologize, I am just trying to understand your argument. Do you think the climate change will cause severe societal consequences in our lifetimes, or are the negative effects still a century off?

[heydaralon]

I am very much enjoying this debate. I'm not sure what to make of this climate change issue tbh, but I think its cool that Speaker, Martin, and Cat are throwing around different ideas.

[heydaralon]

"Accepting it" implies going with the narrative. How about we just pay attention to both arguments until it doesn't seem like bullshit. How come only "Climate Scientists" & celebrities can understand Climate Science. What can't a guy with 3 doctorates? Why can't the informed people on this forum understand? You don't have to prepare for the Climate Apocalypse just yet, I'll let you know...

It's certainly not hard to understand. We live on a paper-thin bubble of air around a rock. We pump a trillion tons of carbon into the air, which traps heat. You can see the effects on both poles, without anything but a camera. Every one of us can see the effects in weather patterns where we live.

You can make it as tricky as you want to, but it's right there in front of you.

What do you think about the global cooling hysteria from the 1970s? All of the climate scientists were saying the Earth was cooling down at an alarming rate. This is perhaps my biggest concern with the climate scientists. I don't think I am better informed than them, or that they are stupid, I just think that their relative quick reversal of their opinions shows that climate is a difficult phenomenon to study, and that no one, even the smartest academics in the world, have a good understanding of it. I view our climate kind of like the economy. There are a lot of experts, but they are continually blindsided by things that their models did not anticipate. Economists also make models with many assumptions. Some models are made in which prices remain static. Other models are tailored on vindicating political ideas. Very few of these models are proven right in the long run. Again, this might be a poor comparison to make, but I am somewhat leery of people who claim to fully understand what our climate is doing.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I don't really see how you can conclude that. We keep finding out that all the data is cooked. We find out that the climate change has "paused". We can all see how the universities have been overrun with party-minded ideologues that want to fight for the cause rather than seek the truth. We can see the media lying left and right on the daily.

At some point, a reasonable human being should become quite skeptical of this stuff. How many lies do you have to be manipulated by before you get skeptical?

That's one side of the bubble. There's another side with equally compelling arguments to show that you're being a fool. Doesn't matter either way.

The "controversy" has paralyzed any possible response, and protected the megacorps from any responsibility for what's happening. It's not going to change, so accept it.

I am not trying to insult you with this question GCF, but if you think the situation with the climate is so hopeless, why have children? Don't you think that if the world is turning into a real life version of McCarthy's the Road, its the last place a child should be? Again, that question came off assholish, and I apologize, I am just trying to understand your argument. Do you think the climate change will cause severe societal consequences in our lifetimes, or are the negative effects still a century off?

It's not a bad question to ask. The short answer, is that this won't be the end of humanity, and I refuse to end my family line because of it.

People have always wondered whether the world was too messed up to bring kids into. But the species must continue. Times will be hard, make no mistake about it, but humans will come through it in some way. The only thing that ends Us is ourselves, by some sort of bio-engineered pandemic, nuclear holocaust, or failure to prepare for the next asteroid. I plan to make my kids smart enough to survive anything short of that.

[SuburbanFarmer]

"Accepting it" implies going with the narrative. How about we just pay attention to both arguments until it doesn't seem like bullshit. How come only "Climate Scientists" & celebrities can understand Climate Science. What can't a guy with 3 doctorates? Why can't the informed people on this forum understand? You don't have to prepare for the Climate Apocalypse just yet, I'll let you know...

It's certainly not hard to understand. We live on a paper-thin bubble of air around a rock. We pump a trillion tons of carbon into the air, which traps heat. You can see the effects on both poles, without anything but a camera. Every one of us can see the effects in weather patterns where we live.

You can make it as tricky as you want to, but it's right there in front of you.

What do you think about the global cooling hysteria from the 1970s? All of the climate scientists were saying the Earth was cooling down at an alarming rate. This is perhaps my biggest concern with the climate scientists. I don't think I am better informed than them, or that they are stupid, I just think that their relative quick reversal of their opinions shows that climate is a difficult phenomenon to study, and that no one, even the smartest academics in the world, have a good understanding of it. I view our climate kind of like the economy. There are a lot of experts, but they are continually blindsided by things that their models did not anticipate. Economists also make models with many assumptions. Some models are made in which prices remain static. Other models are tailored on vindicating political ideas. Very few of these models are proven right in the long run. Again, this might be a poor comparison to make, but I am somewhat leery of people who claim to fully understand what our climate is doing.

Well, ask yourself how our technology has changed over the past 40 years. We just got to the moon in 1969, and had barely even started to study the atmosphere.

[Speaker to Animals]

The problem is that, in order to make the theory tenable, they actually had to cook the data. These people actually had the gall to go back and alter the temperature readings in all the records because the actual temperatures didn't match their climate change theory.

Dude, fuck no. I am not falling for this. Maybe we are causing the climate to change. Nobody proved it.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The problem is that, in order to make the theory tenable, they actually had to cook the data. These people actually had the gall to go back and alter the temperature readings in all the records because the actual temperatures didn't match their climate change theory.

Dude, fuck no. I am not falling for this. Maybe we are causing the climate to change. Nobody proved it.

If you say so. Doesn't really matter if you believe it or not. Just start growing food.

[Speaker to Animals]

I don't just say so. This is established fact. They actually have to change the recorded temperatures in order to fit the predictions of their models. Otherwise, the data doesn't show a human impact at all.

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