Social Justice Warriors Thread

[SuburbanFarmer]

There again, you are not exactly correct. Islam only "tolerated" Christianity and Judaism to a limited extent. Muslims exterminated pagans. Christians just tried to convert them. But even where Muslims allegedly tolerated Christians and Jews, it wasn't really toleration at all but a form of enslavement.

The difference here is that, in Islam, extermination and enslavement of non-Muslims is baked into the cake. For us, in our history, it was more of a historical phenomenon that was not inherent to the religion. To wit: it doesn't matter how long you allow Islam to fester. It's never going to become like us in terms of human rights because their religion forbids it. Their religion literally commands them to make war upon us and exterminate or enslave us. Islam means submission. Muslims believe we must submit to Islam as slaves or converts. Full stop. That's why they don't belong here.

I agree with you actually.

The Muslim religion will not on it's own lead to Western Values as Christianity did.
The Muslim world remains largely tribal and divided along tribal lines.

Christianity was multiethnic... but not really multicultural.
It did however allow "pagan" traditions to remain that became part of the Christian practice (e.g. Christmas trees, local dance and art) and these meant that Christian nations around the world look quite different from one another.

The Christmas tree is actually pretty Christian. It goes back to the Thunderoak story about St. Boniface.

St. Boniface had traveled through Germany to convert pagans. He had converted a group of people in the past, but after returning to their village, he found they many had reverted to paganism. They were about to sacrifice a young boy by an oak tree that the people associated with Thor. St. Boniface, in a demonstration of God's power, struck Thor's Thunderoak down with his bishop's staff. The people reconciled with God, and he ordered them to love their boy, decorate an evergreen tree in commemoration (since the evergreen is symbolic of Christ's everlasting life), and worship God instead of demons.

Like a lot of this stuff I see from atheists on this forum, what you think you know about the history of Christianity (and your own history for that matter) is pretty damned wrong. From the Enlightenment myths about the crusade and inquisitions to the origin of the Christmas tree.. it doesn't help you make valuable judgments. Most of this stuff you guys say is "George Washington never told a lie" level myth.

Denounces mythmaking by telling a story about a guy walking into a ceremonial human sacrifice and knocking over an oak tree with his staff.

This is some next-level shit, dude.

[DrYouth]

The Christmas tree is actually pretty Christian. It goes back to the Thunderoak story about St. Boniface.

St. Boniface had traveled through Germany to convert pagans. He had converted a group of people in the past, but after returning to their village, he found they many had reverted to paganism. They were about to sacrifice a young boy by an oak tree that the people associated with Thor. St. Boniface, in a demonstration of God's power, struck Thor's Thunderoak down with his bishop's staff. The people reconciled with God, and he ordered them to love their boy, decorate an evergreen tree in commemoration (since the evergreen is symbolic of Christ's everlasting life), and worship God instead of demons.

Like a lot of this stuff I see from atheists on this forum, what you think you know about the history of Christianity (and your own history for that matter) is pretty damned wrong. From the Enlightenment myths about the crusade and inquisitions to the origin of the Christmas tree.. it doesn't help you make valuable judgments. Most of this stuff you guys say is "George Washington never told a lie" level myth.

That's why I count on you to fact check me...
I'm cool with that.

Doesn't shift my argument much though does it?

[Speaker to Animals]

I agree with you actually.

The Muslim religion will not on it's own lead to Western Values as Christianity did.
The Muslim world remains largely tribal and divided along tribal lines.

Christianity was multiethnic... but not really multicultural.
It did however allow "pagan" traditions to remain that became part of the Christian practice (e.g. Christmas trees, local dance and art) and these meant that Christian nations around the world look quite different from one another.

The Christmas tree is actually pretty Christian. It goes back to the Thunderoak story about St. Boniface.

St. Boniface had traveled through Germany to convert pagans. He had converted a group of people in the past, but after returning to their village, he found they many had reverted to paganism. They were about to sacrifice a young boy by an oak tree that the people associated with Thor. St. Boniface, in a demonstration of God's power, struck Thor's Thunderoak down with his bishop's staff. The people reconciled with God, and he ordered them to love their boy, decorate an evergreen tree in commemoration (since the evergreen is symbolic of Christ's everlasting life), and worship God instead of demons.

Like a lot of this stuff I see from atheists on this forum, what you think you know about the history of Christianity (and your own history for that matter) is pretty damned wrong. From the Enlightenment myths about the crusade and inquisitions to the origin of the Christmas tree.. it doesn't help you make valuable judgments. Most of this stuff you guys say is "George Washington never told a lie" level myth.

Denounces mythmaking by telling a story about a guy walking into a ceremonial human sacrifice and knocking over an oak tree with his staff.

This is some next-level shit, dude.

This is the origin of the Christmas tree, dude. Whether or not you believe the story is immaterial. It's not a pagan origin.

What's annoying is how you people spout these false stories, that everybody is just supposed to know as fact, that don't really have any basis in history or fact -- whatsoever. There's an actual history out there. Read a book some time.

[K@th]

Perhaps that's why pagan traditions remained even as Christianity took hold. The Christmas tree is a 17th-century German invention, University of Bristol's Hutton told LiveScience, but it clearly derives from the pagan practice of bringing greenery indoors to decorate in midwinter. The modern Santa Claus is a direct descendent of England's Father Christmas, who was not originally a gift-giver. However, Father Christmas and his other European variations are modern incarnations of old pagan ideas about spirits who traveled the sky in midwinter, Hutton said.

Pretty interesting article.

https://www.livescience.com/25779-chris ... anism.html

[Speaker to Animals]

LOL

Grasping.

The history of decorating evergreens on Christmas eve literally originates from the legend of St. Boniface and the Thunderoak:

“This little tree, a young child of the forest, shall be your holy tree tonight. It is the wood of peace… It is the sign of an endless life, for its leaves are ever green. See how it points upward to heaven. Let this be called the tree of the Christ-child; gather about it, not in the wild wood, but in your own homes; there it will shelter no deeds of blood, but loving gifts and rites of kindness.”

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/onlin ... stmas-tree

[Zlaxer]

Christmas trees are Pagan....we're debating this? (seriously)

[DBTrek]

Old Testament warns against decorating trees:

• Jeremiah 10
  Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
  
  2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
  
  3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
  
  4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
  
  5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

/shrug

[Zlaxer]

Old Testament warns against decorating trees:

• Jeremiah 10
  Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
  
  2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
  
  3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
  
  4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
  
  5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

/shrug

Old testament also says you have to sit in a river buck naked for seven days if you fuck your wife on her period....what about it?

[The Conservative]

Old Testament warns against decorating trees:

• Jeremiah 10
  Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
  
  2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
  
  3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
  
  4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
  
  5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

/shrug

Old testament also says you have to sit in a river buck naked for seven days if you fuck your wife on her period....what about it?

It's good advice, take a cold shower in English...

[Zlaxer]

Old Testament warns against decorating trees:

• Jeremiah 10
  Hear ye the word which the Lord speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
  
  2 Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
  
  3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
  
  4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
  
  5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

/shrug

Old testament also says you have to sit in a river buck naked for seven days if you fuck your wife on her period....what about it?

It's good advice, take a cold shower in English...

Lolz....