Au Revoir, Paris Accord?

[Smitty-48]

It is smart politics for Trump, the the Paris Accord is about more than the $3 billion that the US pledged or whatever it was, the point of these agreements is to create a mandate, a mandate to funnel public money to "Green" corporate welfare bums, its about shaping the narrative and controlling the agenda, anybody who dissents from or opposes it; the polticians will say "oh, but we have to meet our Paris Accord targets!", and the media will ceaselessly issue reports on how "America is not meeting it's Paris Accord targets!" and this is how they basically bum rush the electorate into signing off on these Green boondoggles, "it's the Paris Accord, we're not meeting our carbon targets, blah-blah-blah so we have to buy Green product XYZ" and/or "subsidize green company XYZ"'

What Trump has done, is basically say "no we don't", and he has broken the seal on that, and when it doesn't result in the catastrophe that the Lefties are claiming it will, saying "No We Don't" can become the narrative instead of "ZOMG Paris Accord!"

[ssu]

It's just ridulously expensive power, nuclear power is the boondoggle of the 1950's that we still haven't paid off yet and which is getting more expensive as it goes.

Ridiculously expensive? Really?







And is it so expensive if nuclear power is used. Well, France get's a lot of it's electricity from nuclear power, but the energy costs aren't so huge compared to other EU countries. Nuclear is actually quite cheap. What is ridiculously expensive is Solar power.

[ssu]

It is smart politics for Trump, the the Paris Accord is about more than the $3 billion that the US pledged or whatever it was, the point of these agreements is to create a mandate, a mandate to funnel public money to "Green" corporate welfare bums, its about shaping the narrative and controlling the agenda, anybody who dissents from or opposes it; the polticians will say "oh, but we have to meet our Paris Accord targets!", and the media will ceaselessly issue reports on how "America is not meeting it's Paris Accord targets!" and this is how they basically bum rush the electorate into signing off on these Green boondoggles, "it's the Paris Accord, we're not meeting our carbon targets, blah-blah-blah so we have to buy Green product XYV" and/or "subsidize green company XYZ"

It is smart politics, but do notice that Trump could have changed those targets in the first Place. Hence you can alter the mandate yourself... and it wouldn't have been noticed so well.

Nope, he was looking for an outrage (from the wheeny environmentalists) and got it.

Bannon is smiling.

[Smitty-48]

Here in Ontario, 10¢ per killowatt hour is astronomically expensive, in Quebec, they pay 3¢ per kilowatt hour, we're not competing with Denmark, we don't care how expensive power is in Denmark, what matters here, is how much is it in the US and Mexico, we don't care what France pays neither, but compared to Quebec, France is paying a ridiculous price, 19¢/killowatt hour is highway robbery, that's six times the market rate here, because the market rate for hydro, is 3¢

Obviously if France was in an integrated market with the Americans as we are, charging 19¢/killowatt hour, every business in France would pick up and move to the USA.

[Smitty-48]

This is about manufacturing, I don't work in manufacturing, my wife doesn't work in manufacturing, we're whatever you wanna call it, Knowledge Economy, so it's not people like us who will get crushed, but if you work in manufacturing, and you let these Lefties drive your power costs up by Green Boondoggle, you can kiss those jobs goodbye, because they will go, at 19¢ per killowatt hour, make no mistake.

Most of the Lefties, they don't care, where do they work? Toronto. In manufacturing? No, Knowledge Economy, tech, financials, media, services, etc, so this doesn't crush them, so they're not too worried about it.

But if you're living in the Rust Belt, last thing you need, is 19¢ killowat hour for your electricity, not to mention your employers electricity, because to pay those prices, they may just have to lay you off.

[Smitty-48]

This is also about small to medium sized businesses, yeah, sure, a multinational, they could move to Mexico in a heartbeart, but for small to medium, that's not actually a great option, it's not their preference, but, if you load on more taxes, more regulation, carbon pricing, and 19¢ a kilowatt hour for electricity? OK, now you're probably forcing them to move, just to stay in business.

That's what happened with the guy I know who moved the plant to Mexico, it wasn't a giant company, and wages weren't the issue, he had an experienced work force, and he was happy with them, he wasn't eager to move, but, the cost of doing business, taxes, regulation, carbon taxed fuel, Green Power electricity prices, that's what forced him to move.

The head office is still here, there's still some office workers, but the actual manufacturing, that he moved to Mexico, and I don't blame him one bit.

[TheReal_ND]

Some areas of Mexico are getting like 8-10% economic growth over the past decade

[Smitty-48]

Another killer is the "Green" carbon tax here, it's not so much me filling up at the pump, it's the diesel, the diesel is the high carbon fuel, so it gets dinged the hardest, and that's going right after jobs and business, small to medium first and foremost.

But again, Lefties in Toronto, what do they care? Buncha academics coming up with all these Green scam money grabs, but they're not the ones making a payroll, on the price of diesel.

Small to medium, most of the time it's not about going to Mexico, they just go out of business, killed right where they stood.

[TheReal_ND]

Diesel costs more at the pump but it's the far cheaper product. This shit started like ten years ago over here too. Absurd.

[Ex-California]

Some areas of Mexico are getting like 8-10% economic growth over the past decade

This is the catch-22, as more jobs are created in Mexico there is less impetus for illegals to come here.