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[SuburbanFarmer]

France and UK made that deal without us.

It was for the canal, which nobody got anyway.

First of heard of that one. I’ve always been told they were ours.

[Smitty-48]

France and UK made that deal without us.

It was for the canal, which nobody got anyway.

No, the Israeli nuclear weapons program was not related to Suez, the British had nothing to do with the secret deal with the French, Suez was a separate issue, the French were courting the Israelis long before Suez and after as well, right up until the Israelis stole the plans for the French Mirage jet fighters, which was the falling out with the French which caused the Israelis to seek the Americans as their new benfactors.

Suez was a very narrow short term alliance of convenience, the Israeli relationship with the French went much deeper and the nuclear weapons aspect was totally secret.

[Smitty-48]

France and UK made that deal without us.

It was for the canal, which nobody got anyway.

First of heard of that one. I’ve always been told they were ours.

That's because he has no clue what he's blabbering on about, conflating Suez with the Israeli nuclear weapons program, which are two separate issues.

Thus is the process of nonsense prattle by which you Americans become so misinformed in the first place, who knew?

[Speaker to Animals]

The French justified their decision to provide Israel a nuclear reactor by claiming it was not without precedent. In September 1955 Canada publicly announced that it would help the Indian government build a heavy-water research reactor, the CIRUS reactor, for "peaceful purposes".[40] When Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal, France proposed Israel attack Egypt and invade the Sinai as a pretext for France and Britain to invade Egypt posing as "peacekeepers" with the true intent of seizing the Suez Canal (see Suez Crisis). In exchange, France would provide the nuclear reactor as the basis for the Israeli nuclear weapons program.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear ... and_Israel

[Smitty-48]

The Israelis acquired the bomb from the French program long before the French sold them the reactor, none the less, it had nothing to do with Suez, fallacious canard to distract from the incorrect assertion that there was a deal for nuclear weapons in the Suez tripartite alliance of convenience, which there wasn't, the British, French and Israelis came together on that issue, but as I said, the French relationship pre and post dated Suez and was on a separate track.

There was a secret deal with the French before Suez, sale of the reactor came later, at the time of Suez, the French were declining to provide the Israelis with the reactor, they didn't sign that deal until after Suez was a bust, in 1957.

[Speaker to Animals]

The French justified their decision to provide Israel a nuclear reactor by claiming it was not without precedent. In September 1955 Canada publicly announced that it would help the Indian government build a heavy-water research reactor, the CIRUS reactor, for "peaceful purposes".[40] When Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal, France proposed Israel attack Egypt and invade the Sinai as a pretext for France and Britain to invade Egypt posing as "peacekeepers" with the true intent of seizing the Suez Canal (see Suez Crisis). In exchange, France would provide the nuclear reactor as the basis for the Israeli nuclear weapons program.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear ... and_Israel

[Smitty-48]

Again, the French did not provide the Israelis with nuclear weapons in exchange for Suez, the French had already invited the Israelis into their nuclear program, in secret, before there was a tripartite alliance of convenience with the British, French and Israelis over Suez.

A deal for nuclear weapons in Suez tripartite alliance of convenience; false assertion, repeating it over and over does not make it so.

[Speaker to Animals]

Can you parse that cunt hair any finer?

They gave them the nuclear reactor tech that made the nuclear weapons program possible -- in exchange for attacking the Egyptians so they could gain control of the canal.

[Smitty-48]

The silliness of the assertion of the French providing the Israelis with nuclear weapons in 1956, is illustrated by the fact that the French did not have their own nuclear weapons until four years later in 1960. The French had invited the Israelis into their program before 1956, but as of 1956, the French did not actually have any nuclear weapons to provide to the Israelis, so obvious nonsense is obvious.

In fact, it would be more accurate to say that the Israelis assisted the French with acquiring the bomb as much as the French assisted the Israelis, the Israeli nuclear physicists being instrumental in the French program, which is why the French invited them in.

The assertion that the French provided the Israelis with the reactor in exchange for attacking Egypt is also false, the French had been negotiating that deal long before Suez, and did not deliver the reactor until after the Suez invasion had been called off, never mind that the Israelis did not require any such quid pro quo to incite them to join the British and French in attacking their arch nemesis Egypt, it was in fact Moshe Dayan's idea to attack Egypt without the French, to which Ben Gurion said he would prefer if the French were involved, so it wasn't even France who came up with the idea, was the French who jumped on board the Israeli plan, not the other way round.

Moreover, far from being specifically related to Suez, the French-Israeli nuclear cooperation agreement began in secret in 1949, when the French invited the Israeli nuclear scientists who had knowledge gained from the Manhattan Project, into the French program at Saclay.

"Israel and France were at a similar level of expertise after the war, and Israeli scientists could make significant contributions to the French effort. Progress in nuclear science and technology in France and Israel remained closely linked throughout the early fifties." ~ Colonel Warren D. Farr, from United States Air Force counter proliferation report.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Since the MHF is where policy makers come for advice, I'd like to make one last bid for leftist, peacenik faggotry for negotiation (for negotiations sake.)

We haven't really been trying honest diplomacy for 50 odd years, using the Chinese, Russians, and back channels for negotiation, since I am not sure them sums'bitches have really had our (or the Norks) best interest in mind. Mayhaps the Kims just want to be recognized as a nation, mayhaps some sort of reunification is the goal.

Who gives a shit? International, autocratic communist regimes are not going to sweep the modern world and drive us all into repression. Anyone who wants to keep fighting that tired war is tilting at the last centurie's windmills.

Give it the fuck up already. Maybe it is time to accept that the west, liberalism (classic) , and capitalism actually won, and pissing contests with tin-pots is a waste of everybody's time and money.