Alternative Facts

[Fife]

Lincoln a narcissist? That's crazy talk, bro. He was the polar opposite, the greatest altruist in the history of the republic. This is why he is the patron saint of America, but he had no idea it would turn out that way. He didn't try to make himself into that, quite the opposite, that came about retrospectively, long after his death.

Lincoln was cast in the forge of Douglas; and martyred while war still raged. Greatness was thrust upon him, and he seemed willing to take risks to avoid botching it all up. We could quickly name, how many, 40 or 41 other POTUSs who would have gone MacArthur on Steroids given the same opportunity.

Abe: The Bible says somewhere that we are desperately selfish. I think we would have discovered that fact without the Bible.

[StCapps]

To wit, if Lincoln was a narcissist, then everybody is a narcissist, and so nobody is a narcissist.

Nah most people don't run for POTUS and most don't win and therefore don't go through a crucible of narcissists the way POTUS's do. Narcissism is like a survival mechanism for politicians on that level. All POTUS's are narcissists by default, or they wouldn't have survived the crucible, unless you have a better term for what I am talking about that fits better than narcissist.

[Smitty-48]

To wit, if Lincoln was a narcissist, then everybody is a narcissist, and so nobody is a narcissist.

Nah most people don't run for POTUS and most don't win and therefore don't go through a crucible of narcissists. All POTUS's are narcissists by default, unless you have a better term for what I am talking about that fits better than narcissist.

Licoln was a God fearing man, in the literal sense, not rhetorically, for real, he was possessed of a great sense of mission, of destiny to save the republic, but not for his own glory, for Old Glory, in the name of the Lord.

It was not the same paradigm then as it is now, POTUS, in the midst of the Civil War, was a thankless job, Lincoln was savaged mercilessly from all sides, but took the heat, so that the Union would be preserved, by whatever means neccesary, unto death, which in fact, is the price he paid, Abaraham Lincoln, took the crucifixion, for America's sins, he is the jesus H. Christ, of the American republic.

If you walk up to Jesus hanging from the cross at calvary, that's what you're going to say? "You're a fuckin narcissist! It ain't all about you, bro!"?

[StCapps]

Licoln was a God fearing man, in the literal sense, not rhetorically, for real, he was possessed of a great sense of mission, of destiny to save the republic, but not for his own glory, for Old Glory, in the name of the Lord.

All that made him feel good about himself though and made him think he was the best man for the job. All POTUS's had their rationalizations, just because his was better doesn't mean he wasn't a narcissist. Just because he got his jollies helping others doesn't get him off the hook.

It was not the same paradigm then as it is now, POTUS, in the midst of the Civil War, was a thankless job, Lincoln was savaged mercilessly from all sides, but took the heat, so that the Union would be preserved, by whatever means neccesary, unto death, which in fact, is the price he paid, Abaraham Lincoln, took the crucifixion, for America's sins, he is the jesus H. Christ, of the American republic.

Admirable yes, but admirable and narcissist aren't antonyms either. Being admirable or an altruist doesn't rule out the possibility of being a narcissist.

If you got a more accurate word, I'm open to using that instead of narcissist, but I've yet to receive any suggestions on that tip.

[Smitty-48]

Lincoln didn't actually think he was the best man for the job, Lincoln was filled with doubt and angst about his own inadequacies, it was the simply case that there was no one else who was going to do it, it fell to Lincoln, for all his failings, to find a way, and it was only through communion with the Lord, that he found the strength to do it, America is a religeon, and Abraham Lincoln is the Jesus Christ of, literally, a Christ figure, hanging upon a cross, to atone for America's sins, so they could be redeemed.

[Speaker to Animals]

It was hardly a given that he would even win that election either. I doubt he threw his hat in the ring thinking he would actually win it.

[Okeefenokee]

I DID find this however.
Third Highest Viewship

Better read it now because it will probably be gone tomorrow.

p.s. That's FIFTH largest with a fucking boycott going on. Count the "100 Billion Women March" in the turnout, and Trump wins HAND'S DOWN!

Why will it be gone tomorrow? I'm not clear on the point you are making... All the article points out is that no matter how you slice & dice the facts & data, Trump had lower attendance than Obama.

The reason I'm asking is because you said, " lots of new hits come up from anti-Trump news organs with really negative slants on attendance. I DID find this however."

You found another article agreeing that attendance was lower. Lots of those around.

For the millionth time, Kath, the argument is not, and never has been that Trump's turnout was greater than Obama's. The initial argument, that came from the media, not Trump, was that there was a small turnout, and to demonstrate that, they intentionally mislead their believers with a pic that painted a falsehood, and ever since have been getting canned for so blatantly lying.

They published a photo that falsely represented the actual crowd with the expressed intent to minimize the size of the crowd, and in doing so present the appearance that no one showed up, because no one likes Trump, because he's so uncool and unpopular. Unlike our guy Obama. He's real cool. Everyone likes him. It is the exact same political bias that has been on display from the beginning.

The issue is not the crowd size, it is the photo. You already admitted the photo was misleading. That was its intent. The intent of the photo was to mislead, because the cheerleaders of the left needed to boost morale on the day the left lost their last grip on power. They got called on it immediately and have been trying to deflect ever since with this BS about crowd size. Nevermind that they got busted dead to rights publishing multiple faslehoods in one day, here's some metro numbers.

Pay no attention to the biased journalos behind the curtain. Sure they outright lied, but they deleted the tweet after they got called on it, and that's what's really important.

Give me a break.

/rant.

[Smitty-48]

It was hardly a given that he would even win that election either. I doubt he threw his hat in the ring thinking he would actually win it.

The narcissist, the one who was willing to take the poisin apple and throw the republic under the bus for his own agrandizement, was George "Little Napoleon" McClellan.

[de officiis]

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of understanding of others' feelings. People affected by it often spend a lot of time thinking about achieving power or success, or about their appearance. They often take advantage of the people around them. The behavior typically begins by early adulthood, and occurs across a variety of situations.

According to the DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most or all of the following symptoms, typically without commensurate qualities or accomplishments:

Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from others
Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.
Self-perception of being unique, superior and associated with high-status people and institutions
Needing constant admiration from others
Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others
Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain
Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs
Intensely envious of others and the belief that others are equally envious of them
Pompous and arrogant demeanor

To-wit: your argument about Lincoln is BS.

[K@th]

Great. So we're done with this crap?

I don't know, Kath still seems to want to cling to metro sales and hotel occupancy as the end all be all. As long she keeps peddling that nonsense in this thread as if anyone buys that Trump's inauguration was bigger than Obama's, the discussion will continue.

Actually, I keep trying to bring it back to the point of the discussion was that Kelly and is making up new words like alternative facts. Alternative facts are not an actual thing. We all know the White House will lie to us. They all historically have done so, but still, the press needs to have some sort of relationship with the press secretary where they don't believe the secretary is setting out to outright lie to them everyday all day.

What's been happening around here is we are trying to point out that alternative facts are not an actual thing and people keep timing in about how Trump actually did have more numbers than Obama. This is demonstrable efal sing you all admit it but still keep thinking it's okay for the White House Press Secretary to lie about something so obviously demonstrably false.

The press secretary needs to stop with the blatant obvious lies or nobody will take him seriously about anything period 2 days press conference he reassured the press that Trump did in fact have the largest inauguration crowd in history. So we know he's lying he knows he's lying he knows we know he's lying we know he knows we know he's lying at cetera and it's just ridiculous he should stop talking about it immediately