THE ERA OF TRUMP

[The Conservative]

Dr. Duplicity, WTF is this you're saying now?

So, not only do you *have* certifications, but you agree they boost your income by thousands. Well, that's a far cry from being "fucking useless" wouldn't you say?



This a typo? Because it makes it sound like you got a huge pay increase from H1B visa workers being imported.

Anyway, it seems the nay-sayers have seen the light and (intentionally or otherwise) validated the acquisition of certifications as a net benefit to job applicants. Nobody ever claimed that a cert trumped 20-years of verified industry experience, so I'm not going to chase those shifting goal posts. I'm simply standing on my initial assertion that certs are valuable to job seekers, and they're not all "useless paper" - any more than the community college Associate degrees held by their detractors are. Both can give a job candidate the tiny edge they need to skate past resume filters or distinguish themselves from competition which looks nearly identical on paper.

People who approach certs wisely can leverage them into entirely new careers. Cert-hounds who simply acquire as many certs as possible willy-nilly will have problems convincing employers that they're anything but champions on paper.
/shrug

The effectiveness of certifications, like all tools, depends entirely on how you use them.

Had, don't have... but what I stated was that it only increased it by a modicum of value, not worth the total time and effort it took to receive them.

50K to 75K salary over 20 years for the same job as a Network Admin... that's not a huge jump, 75K in today's rate is 50K back in 1996 pay... my income may have increased in monetary value, but in reality, the income didn't jump at all. Inflation made it where 75K today is worth 50K in 1996 income. Seriously, how bad at math do you need to be to not figure that pay was decreased due to H1B visas.

And Certifications are worthless in the grand scheme of things, they only say you can pass a test, and they allow you entrance past the HR, which is fine, but in reality, that job will be back on the market in 6 months or less because they can't hack reality. I've seen it more times than not...

Why don't you grow some big boy pants and get a MS/CS or CE? I've looked - costs aren't too bad compared to pay.

Who would hire a 40+ year old for a new job with an MCSE cert? Seriously, agism is a huge problem is the IT field...

[Zlaxer]

Had, don't have... but what I stated was that it only increased it by a modicum of value, not worth the total time and effort it took to receive them.

50K to 75K salary over 20 years for the same job as a Network Admin... that's not a huge jump, 75K in today's rate is 50K back in 1996 pay... my income may have increased in monetary value, but in reality, the income didn't jump at all. Inflation made it where 75K today is worth 50K in 1996 income. Seriously, how bad at math do you need to be to not figure that pay was decreased due to H1B visas.

And Certifications are worthless in the grand scheme of things, they only say you can pass a test, and they allow you entrance past the HR, which is fine, but in reality, that job will be back on the market in 6 months or less because they can't hack reality. I've seen it more times than not...

Why don't you grow some big boy pants and get a MS/CS or CE? I've looked - costs aren't too bad compared to pay.

Who would hire a 40+ year old for a new job with an MCSE cert? Seriously, agism is a huge problem is the IT field...

Lot's of companies...40 years old means they could get another 20 out of you.

[The Conservative]

Why don't you grow some big boy pants and get a MS/CS or CE? I've looked - costs aren't too bad compared to pay.

Who would hire a 40+ year old for a new job with an MCSE cert? Seriously, agism is a huge problem is the IT field...

Lot's of companies...40 years old means they could get another 20 out of you.

Not when you see your boss is an age in where they could almost be your son or daughter, most see you as a threat. I've had this conversation before, and in many cases trying to prove that I am not trying for their job is irrelevant, young people are so fucking insecure it's not funny.

[DrYouth]

I have noticed a jump in over the top trump memes on social media...

What is actually going on out there with the shutdown and the renewed vigorous pressure on the wall...

I rely on this forum to give me non-hysterical takes on the situation.

And sorry if you have already discussed this... point me to the thread.

I have been swamped at work and with more teenager drama at home.... so teenager drama all around.

[Speaker to Animals]

We are debating whether or not to dump all fifteen million of them in Canada right now. Seems to be a bi-partisan effort.

[DBTrek]

Who would hire a 40+ year old for a new job with an MCSE cert? Seriously, agism is a huge problem is the IT field...

You know a good remedy for fighting ageism?
Certs.

"Why should we hire you when we can hire a new college grad who is immersed in the most modern technology?"

"You mean technology like <rattle of relevant certs>"?

Look, if you want to be the dim-bulb codger who believes your long tenure in a lightning fast industry is more valuable than someone who continuously improves and updates their knowledge, have at it. You may believe that the rest of the marketplace holds your biases, or is impressed with your extreme record of being good at one thing a long time ago.

Just don't come crying to us when you're replaced by someone with the same experience who also hasn't sat on his ass for the last two decades griping about "meaningless certs".


Your apathy may well be the instrument of your destruction - the question is, will you be able to recognize it if that happens?

[DrYouth]

We are debating whether or not to dump all fifteen million of them in Canada right now. Seems to be a bi-partisan effort.

15 million of who?

[Speaker to Animals]

We are debating whether or not to dump all fifteen million of them in Canada right now. Seems to be a bi-partisan effort.

15 million of who?

No worries.

[Montegriffo]

We are debating whether or not to dump all fifteen million of them in Canada right now. Seems to be a bi-partisan effort.

15 million of who?

Evil refugees.
What else does anyone around here ever talk about?

[DrYouth]

15 million of who?

Evil refugees.
What else does anyone around here ever talk about?

Oh them...

You're going to build a wall with Mexico...

And then send the refugees to Canada...

Where there is no wall.

I'm sensing a flaw in that plan.