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Re: Fake News

Post by kybkh » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:05 am

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kybkh wrote:So Putin had his boys hack DNC emails and release them. Oh man, good thing the DNC is on the up and up. No way there are any incriminating or insulting comments made by the DNC. No way they conspired against Bernie Sanders. Oops they did and now the American people know about it and have reacted.

Nothing too scurrilous there because its just facts being made public. Not lies and fake news.
Politics and sausage. If you think the same hack performed on the RNC wouldn't have show the same type of corruption, bias, quid-pro-quo favors, and favoritism, I think you're mistaken.

While the wikileaks and DC leaks emails are not lies or fake news, there has certainly been a lot of fake news made about them. Last I heard, Podesta is kidnapping girls in Portugal and running a child trafficking ring out of a pizza restaurant, wait no, that's Clinton's operation for smuggling Haitian orphans to perform ritualistic satanic sacrifices on... Or was Podesta the Satan worshiper...
I appreciate your good faith attempt to discuss this issue but this is not apples to apples.

What do you honestly believe the RNC was saying about Trump in the Primaries??? You think he was HRC or Bernie in those discussions?
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Re: Fake News

Post by adwinistrator » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:07 am

Not sure if this has been posted somewhere else on the forum, but it's worth reading. A lot of members of Congress walked out of the classified briefing with Comey angry, specifically mentioning the "last 15 minutes" of the discussion as be especially bad.

Richard Burr is the senior Republican senator from North Carolina, in office since 2005, and is the Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. Here's a link to his press release from 1/13/16.
Joint Statement on Committee Inquiry into Russian Intelligence Activities

WASHINGTON – Senator Richard Burr (R-NC), Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and Senator Mark Warner (D-VA), Vice Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, today issued a joint statement regarding the Committee’s inquiry into Russian intelligence activities:

“As part of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s oversight responsibilities we believe that it is critical to have a full understanding of the scope of Russian intelligence activities impacting the United States.

In the course of its regular work, the Committee conducts oversight of the Intelligence Community’s collection and analysis related to Russia; however, the October 7, 2016, joint statement on election security from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), combined with the declassified Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA) of “Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections” raise profound concerns.

The Committee will, therefore, conduct a bipartisan inquiry of the intelligence reporting behind the Intelligence Community assessments from January 6, 2017 on this subject.

The scope of the Committee’s inquiry will include, but is not limited to:
  • A review of the intelligence that informed the Intelligence Community Assessment “Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections;”
  • Counterintelligence concerns related to Russia and the 2016 U.S. election, including any intelligence regarding links between Russia and individuals associated with political campaigns;
  • Russian cyber activity and other “active measures” directed against the U.S., both as it regards the 2016 election and more broadly.
The Committee plans to:
  • Hold hearings examining Russian intelligence activity;
  • Interview senior officials of both the outgoing and incoming administrations including the issuance of subpoenas if necessary to compel testimony; and
  • Produce both classified and unclassified reports on its findings.
The Committee will follow the intelligence wherever it leads. We will conduct this inquiry expeditiously, and we will get it right. When possible, the Committee will hold open hearings to help inform the public about the issues. That said, we will be conducting the bulk of the Committee’s business behind closed doors because we take seriously our obligation to protect sources and methods. As the Committee’s investigation progresses, we will keep Senate leadership, and the broader body, apprised of our findings.

We have received assurance from the Director of National Intelligence that the Intelligence Community will fully and promptly support our requests for information related to the investigation, and we have every reason to believe that commitment will be honored by the incoming administration.

Majority Leader McConnell and Democratic Leader Schumer have made it clear they expect any investigation into Russia’s involvement in our nation’s elections to be conducted in a bipartisan manner. It is a charge the SSCI takes seriously, as bipartisanship—in fact, non-partisanship—is at the very core of the Committee’s charter and is essential to preserving the intelligence equities involved.”

In addition to the joint statement, the Senators offered additional comment separately.

“As I indicated in my December statement, the SSCI has focused a great deal of attention on Russia’s behavior around the world,” said Chairman Burr. “Over the last two years, we have held more than ten hearings and briefings on these issues, with four reviewing Russia’s so-called ‘active measures.’”

“The SSCI was established to oversee the intelligence activities and programs of the United States Government, and to ensure that the appropriate departments and agencies provided informed and timely intelligence to our nation’s leaders,” Burr added, “and part of our inquiry will necessarily be focused on what happened, and what didn’t happen, in this case.”

Of the investigation, Vice Chairman Warner said, “This issue impacts the foundations of our democratic system, it’s that important. This requires a full, deep, and bipartisan examination. At this time, I believe that this Committee is clearly best positioned to take on that responsibility, but whoever does this needs to do it right. If it turns out that SSCI cannot properly conduct this investigation, I will support legislation to empower whoever can do it right. That is my position now, and it will be my position for the duration of the investigation. I look forward to working with Chairman Burr on this tremendously important matter.”
The SSCI is truly the best hope we have for finding out as much of the details as is possible. They are not above politicization, as was seen in the first SSCI on Iraq intel, which the second SSCI did a much better job at investigating without political bias.
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Re: Fake News

Post by adwinistrator » Mon Jan 16, 2017 11:08 am

kybkh wrote:How the was the Director of the CIA allowed to retain his position after illegally hacking the US Senate and being caught lying about it?

If confidence in their findings is critical to their mission this make no sense.
I'm not sure what has been made publicly available from this event, so I'm not sure if leadership was involved, or if it was pertinent to any actual investigation that was taking place. If leadership wasn't involved, I'm sure people were fired and steps taken to resolve the situation. If leadership was involved, and this was due to an investigation, they probably disclosed the details to those Senators who were upset.

Considering it was Feinstein that was so upset, I'm willing to guess that the CIA might have been investigating some shady dealings regarding her husbands business'. If she made a point to fighting them publicly, they'd have to lay out their reasons for investigating to the Senate/public, which may have been enough to resolve the issue.

Could also be that they showed her all the dirt they had on her and told her to shut up, but seeing that she is on the Select Committee on Intelligence, I doubt that would have gone over well.
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adwinistrator wrote:
kybkh wrote:So Putin had his boys hack DNC emails and release them. Oh man, good thing the DNC is on the up and up. No way there are any incriminating or insulting comments made by the DNC. No way they conspired against Bernie Sanders. Oops they did and now the American people know about it and have reacted.

Nothing too scurrilous there because its just facts being made public. Not lies and fake news.
Politics and sausage. If you think the same hack performed on the RNC wouldn't have show the same type of corruption, bias, quid-pro-quo favors, and favoritism, I think you're mistaken.

While the wikileaks and DC leaks emails are not lies or fake news, there has certainly been a lot of fake news made about them. Last I heard, Podesta is kidnapping girls in Portugal and running a child trafficking ring out of a pizza restaurant, wait no, that's Clinton's operation for smuggling Haitian orphans to perform ritualistic satanic sacrifices on... Or was Podesta the Satan worshiper...
I appreciate your good faith attempt to discuss this issue but this is not apples to apples.

What do you honestly believe the RNC was saying about Trump in the Primaries??? You think he was HRC or Bernie in those discussions?
I agree it's not apples to apples, and I was only speaking to the conduct of the RNC in their internal communications.

I think Trump would have been analogous to Bernie in those discussions.

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Re: Fake News

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:29 pm

Foreign Intelligence agencies do not investigate, nor do they gather evidence, and if/when they target their own citizens, that's called treason.

The CIA is not the police, the CIA is strictly prohibited from operating on US soil, if they are claiming to be "investigating" Americans to gather "evidence", they've gone completely rogue at point, by definition.

If the CIA is "investigating" the President in order to gather "evidence" against him, that's a de facto attempt at a coup de tat.
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Re: Fake News

Post by Okeefenokee » Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:33 pm

kybkh wrote:How the was the Director of the CIA allowed to retain his position after illegally hacking the US Senate and being caught lying about it?

If confidence in their findings is critical to their mission this make no sense.
Because Barry said publicly that he wasn't getting in the middle of it.
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Re: Fake News

Post by adwinistrator » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:27 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Foreign Intelligence agencies do not investigate, nor do they gather evidence, and if/when they target their own citizens, that's called treason.

The CIA is not the police, the CIA is strictly prohibited from operating on US soil, if they are claiming to be "investigating" Americans to gather "evidence", they've gone completely rogue at point, by definition.
Correct. I was ignorant of some of the details of this event.

While I kept up with it at the time, I don't think I ended up reading the follow up reporting after the CIA's Office of the Inspector General's report was released on this. You can read that report here (if you don't mind viewing a file on the CIA's web server), it details everything that happened, and everything the CIA did that was illegal/inappropriate.

Vice News did the best reporting on this, with a total of 300 pages of documents obtained through FOIA requests, which can be found here

Basically, the CIA mistakenly believed that Feinstein and Chambliss' staff had accessed their internal review of the torture program (which they were not supposed to be able to access). This had occurred on a computer located in a CIA office, where the Senate staff were allowed to review information and documents for their torture investigation. The insistence that committee staff travel to an offsite CIA facility allowed the CIA to spy on the committee's work. Along with the thousands of documents that were provided to the staff on that computer, the Panetta Review was accidentally included.

This was discovered 3 years later, and the CIA thought that the committee staff had knowingly gained access to the review, which they were not supposed to have. In response, Brennan told his IG "pursue all available options to determine how the documents came to be on the [Senate] side of the system." We know how the rest of this panned out, and the article details it very well.

For the mistakes that were made, and the laws that may have been broken, the consequences were monumental. Brennen apologized in person to Feinstein and Chambliss. He did not do so in writing the official response (but he had apologized in the draft), and even though the OIG report detailed the rules that were broken, the CIA decided to do their own review of the OIG report, and decided that no one should be punished. Justice served! :lol:

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Re: Fake News

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:37 pm

Thus, on the preponderance of evidence, the idea that John Brennan and the CIA, are just "patriotic Americans", who have, through their lawful "investigations", discovered "evidence", that Donald Trump is a "criminal", and are simply and rightly "alerting" the American public to all their good works, is silly to the point of being absurd.

Seems much more like; rogue agency, conducting wholly unlawful militarized operations, targeting their own democratically elected CinC; treasonous coup de tat by defintion.
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Re: Fake News

Post by kybkh » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:41 pm

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Re: Fake News

Post by Smitty-48 » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:44 pm

Hey, it's your Commander-in-Chief, not mine, if you're OK with it, then you're OK with it, obviously, if a rogue intelligence agency was targeting Queen Elizabeth II in an unlawful militarized operation, I would be calling for them all to be shot.

God save the Queen, death to traitors.
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Re: Fake News

Post by kybkh » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:47 pm

Montegriffo wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:It's better now. We scared most of the lefties off. All that's left are a few that are reasonably cool and Penner who is now a card carrying democrat hack. Shame though... Dan robbed us of all the gloating we should be doing to the likes of Archie and Co. that laughed in our face all year.
Yep, the circle jerking alt right echo chamber is almost complete and honest debate is near non-existent. Shame really as the forum is barely worth reading any more......

Any opposition is labelled Marxist or cuck quicker than an SJW can say "racist bigot", I'm starting to feel nostalgic for the DCF now. :clap: :clap:
I still don't get this shit? "Honest debate is near non-existent"???

Is Infowars now being cited as a primary source? Are the Alt-right among us now training at a secret location preparing for operation Bay of Kids to storm the Pizza Pedo Island??

The only reason there is no back and forth right not is because the more liberal among us were the first to criticize the CIA every day prior to Trump's election and they know anonymous CIA accusations carry as much weight in this community as Art Bell.
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