Russian trolls

[Smitty-48]

Mobilization is not declaration. The Germans declared on Russia's ally, therefore, Russia was obligated to defend them. As soon as tensions went up, Russia started drilling up the troops. It was well understood at the time.

And Kaiser Bill was an incompetent boob. He was nothing without Von Bismark.

The Germans did not declare war on anyone prior to mobilization for war against Germany without declaration, which was a casus belli by any definition, you're just a blathering assclown who can never admit when you're wrong, even though you're pretty much wrong everytime you beak off about anything.

Kaiser Bill was who he was, but he did not start the First World War. /shrugs

[Speaker to Animals]

Germans dindu nuffin. They were just a young nation state, minding their own business, trying to turn their fortunes around.

[BjornP]

Kinda hard to imagine how they started it, on the same day that Austria-Hungary declared war. Keeping in mind that there were no telephones at the time, and "mobilization" took a month or so.

Not only had telephones existed for some time by WW1, but they also had the telegraph.

[Smitty-48]

Germans dindu nuffin. They were just a young nation state, minding their own business, trying to turn their fortunes around.

Indeed, A Place in the Sun was no casus belli for total war against Germany, and Germany never declared war against Serbia, nor took any hostile military action against them, before the looney Romanovs mobilized for total war against Germany, because they were under pressure internally, due to their cray-cray repressive rule of the Russian serfs, and so wanted a war externally, to try to stave off a revolt at home.

[Smitty-48]

And, as I said, Germany under Kaiser Bill, was in fact the most progressive state in Europe, with a full on social welfare state, the first ever in fact, happy prosperous Germans going about their business without any complaints, no serfs to be seen anywhere, and who does the liberal democratic French Republic side with? The looney Romanovs.

[Smitty-48]

And, the French had started the war in 1870, getting their asses handed to them in the process, which led to the whole situation in 1914, France and Russia caused it all, Germany really dindu nuffin.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Kinda hard to imagine how they started it, on the same day that Austria-Hungary declared war. Keeping in mind that there were no telephones at the time, and "mobilization" took a month or so.

Not only had telephones existed for some time by WW1, but they also had the telegraph.

Fine, but the only way that the Austrians declared war on Serbia "as a result of" Russia mobilizing, is if some kind of German spy network sent a telegraph that same day, and Kaiser Bill instantly declared war with Serbia over it.

I find that highly unlikely, and should be something included in every account of the Great War. I've never seen it noted anywhere.

[Smitty-48]

Germany never declared war on Serbia, once again, Grumpy has no clue what he's blabbering on about.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Germany never declared war on Serbia, once again, Grumpy has no clue what he's blabbering on about.

Austria-Hungary did, and Germany by proxy. I seriously just posted the link to the timeline a page ago.

[Smitty-48]

Austria-Hungary was not a German proxy, Hohenzollern had no control over Hapsburg-Lorraine, "Germany declared war by proxy" is balderdash, you can't declare war by proxy, Austria-Hungary was not a proxy for Germany, and Germany never mobilized nor took any hostile military action on behalf of Austria-Hungary, nor against Serbia, nor against Russia.

As usual, you have to throw up a smokescreen of fallacies, to try to dig yourself out of the nonsense corner you have painted yourself into.

When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia on 28 July, Kaiser Bill was of the opinion that Russia would not mobilize, because to Kaiser Bill's view of it, that would be cray-cray, so Germany did not mobilize nor declare war on anyone, thinking that there wouldn't actually be a war in the end.