Current US Military

[Smitty-48]

Sure, but even Operators have off days.

Only took one random Muj sniper to retire a member of Jockos team. Probably not even a pro sniper. Just some bored, possibly retired Iraqi with a high powered rifle and some time to kill.

Well that's the thing, you never see the one that gets you, you can train non stop and be all you can be, and then step on a mine twenty meters from the start line, so might as well not sweat it and just enjoy life while you have it. If you enjoy doing commando shit, knock yourself, me, I'm sort of bored with that shit now, after awhile, all recce patrols are the same, becomes monotonous.

I can execute the 21 steps of battle procedure, ain't no thang, but it's not that interesting anymore, the basic procedure doesn't change, it doesn't get more interesting with age.

[Smitty-48]

And bear in mind, even if people are out there lifting and running and doing all sorts of PT, they're still fucking useless without the 21 steps of battle procedure, war is a team sport, you're only as fast as your slowest man, and it's all about logistics in the end, tactics schmactics, that's not what is important at all.

If I was preparing to conduct operations, I have the Canadian Forces Land Operations Manual right here, I can pull it out and review it at any time, but, y'know, it's pretty dry reading, so if I wasn't preparing to conduct operations, I wouldn't bother.

[DBTrek]

Well ... sometimes military ethos can be applied to civilian life with outstanding results. Other times, there is no correlation.
I just thought I’d mention Jocko since the Navy SEALS came up and he is pretty good about translating the best of military practices to civilian life.

[Smitty-48]

Well he seems like a bad ass mamma jamma, no doubt, but even if you just pass BUD/S, that's more than enough to impress me, no further bad assery required.

As for military best practices, in civilian life? Yeah, ah, thanks but no thanks actually, I lived the military best practices for half my life already, I missed out on being a free wheeling fuckin' civilian, so at this point, I'm making up for lost time.

[Viktorthepirate]

Love being a civilian.

[Smitty-48]

SOF doesn't necessarily follow military best practices anyways, the military and SOF don't get along, SOF is just as often a disruptive influence in the AO, causing more trouble than they're worth.

You need some door kickers for hostage rescue, but other than that, they're pretty much a self licking ice cream cone coming up with shit to do that doesn't even need to be done.

Almost twenty years straight now, of strategic raiding counterleadership operations, and in the grand scheme of things, they've achieved fuck all.

Military best practice is to totally annihilate it, or don't go in the first place, stability operations is no best practice, more of a fool's errand in fact.

[Viktorthepirate]

SOF doesn't necessarily follow military best practices anyways, the military and SOF don't get along, SOF is just as often a disruptive influence in the AO, causing more trouble than they're worth.

You need some door kickers for hostage rescue, but other than that, they're pretty much a self licking ice cream cone coming up with shit to do that doesn't even need to be done.

Almost twenty years straight now, of strategic raiding counterleadership operations, and in the grand scheme of things, they've achieved fuck all.

Military best practice is to totally annihilate it, or don't go in the first place, stability operations is no best practice, more of a fool's errand in fact.

Well we had that one guy go all native who seemed to be doing a good job. But they took care of him right good lol

[Smitty-48]

SOF doesn't necessarily follow military best practices anyways, the military and SOF don't get along, SOF is just as often a disruptive influence in the AO, causing more trouble than they're worth.

You need some door kickers for hostage rescue, but other than that, they're pretty much a self licking ice cream cone coming up with shit to do that doesn't even need to be done.

Almost twenty years straight now, of strategic raiding counterleadership operations, and in the grand scheme of things, they've achieved fuck all.

Military best practice is to totally annihilate it, or don't go in the first place, stability operations is no best practice, more of a fool's errand in fact.

Well we had that one guy go all native who seemed to be doing a good job. But they took care of him right good lol

Major Jim Gant, but who was it who sold him down the river? SOCOM. When he did exactly what a Green Beret was supposed to do, the Green Berets were the ones who fired him.

It was the SF chain of command who were out to get him, when they got a complaint on file about him, they pounced.

[Viktorthepirate]

SOF doesn't necessarily follow military best practices anyways, the military and SOF don't get along, SOF is just as often a disruptive influence in the AO, causing more trouble than they're worth.

You need some door kickers for hostage rescue, but other than that, they're pretty much a self licking ice cream cone coming up with shit to do that doesn't even need to be done.

Almost twenty years straight now, of strategic raiding counterleadership operations, and in the grand scheme of things, they've achieved fuck all.

Military best practice is to totally annihilate it, or don't go in the first place, stability operations is no best practice, more of a fool's errand in fact.

Well we had that one guy go all native who seemed to be doing a good job. But they took care of him right good lol

Major Jim Gant, but who was it who sold him down the river? SOCOM. When he did exactly what a Green Beret was supposed to do, the Green Berets were the ones who fired him.

Yea, some cherry LT reported him if I recall correctly. Doesn't matter really how though. Just shows the thinking involved well.

[Smitty-48]

Well we had that one guy go all native who seemed to be doing a good job. But they took care of him right good lol

Major Jim Gant, but who was it who sold him down the river? SOCOM. When he did exactly what a Green Beret was supposed to do, the Green Berets were the ones who fired him.

Yea, some cherry LT reported him if I recall correctly. Doesn't matter really how though. Just shows the thinking involved well.

Yeah, but first of all, he was drinking and doing drugs and running the "petting zoo", so Lt. Roberts had a duty to report that, but it wasn't Roberts who went after him then, when the shit came down from on high, it was all Green Berets who showed up to shut him down, his own chain of command were the ones who were after him, Roberts just gave them the excuse they were looking for.