Europe, the not boring thread

[Fife]

Here's the bigger question: Who gave the Queen ownership of ANY of the airwaves? Hmm?

The...queen? Huh? You do understand the difference between absolute and constitutional monarchy, right, Fife? It's owned by the British public.

Oh I understand what some people consider to be the difference between the crown and some imaginary and benevolent government. Pro tip: When I say the "queen" it's the same thing as the "state."

The British "public" don't own shit.

[BjornP]

Oh I understand what some people consider to be the difference between the crown and some imaginary and benevolent government. Pro tip: When I say the "queen" it's the same thing as the "state."

The British "public" don't own shit.

Yeah yeah, "the State is violence", "there can be no government of the people", minarchist talking point no. 101, all of which ought to convince me that you must be correct in saying that the British public don't own the BBC. Right.

[Okeefenokee]

you wouldn't apply that method to anything else. there is a significant difference between taxing some to pay for something for all, and billing some for the use by some, and shaking down everyone else with your t.v. mafia revenue collectors.

this crap you're selling about it being all the same in the end is nonsense.

can you imagine if we did that with roads?

hey folks, i see some of you've been driving on these roads, but i know you didn't pay any taxes to maintain them. from here on out, you don't pay, you don't drive, not on public streets anyway.

Nowhere did I suggest applying that method to "anything else". I compared your public broadcasting to British and Danish public broadcasting. Same thing, not "anything else". If you don't believe that anybody should pay for services offered to the public by the State, I suggest you pay back all that money you got from the taxpayer's all those years in the armed forces. From where I see it, the Brits and Danes have even more freedom, at least in this regard, than you... you don't have any choice when it comes to paying for public broadcasting... Brits and Danes at least have some choice.

can't avoid paying for pbs? the hell i can't. just don't pay federal income taxes, which tons of people don't, and there ya go. you get to watch pbs without paying for it.

From where I see it, the Brits and Danes have even more freedom

they'll throw your ass in prison for criticizing their policies, and they have bbc mafiosos knocking on your door and making threats because they SUSPECT you might be watching tv without a license.

that's some big brother level delusion you got going on there. freedom is slavery, amiright?

[BjornP]

can't avoid paying for pbs? the hell i can't. just don't pay federal income taxes, which tons of people don't, and there ya go. you get to watch pbs without paying for it.

Ah... that's...nice? People get to use public services without even paying a nickle in taxes for them. And they call our welfare state generous...

From where I see it, the Brits and Danes have even more freedom

they'll throw your ass in prison for criticizing their policies, and they have bbc mafiosos knocking on your door and making threats because they SUSPECT you might be watching tv without a license.

that's some big brother level delusion you got going on there. freedom is slavery, amiright?

You misquoted me by leaving out the essential part of the line, "at least in this regard", it said, and again we're talking only public service funding here, not anything else British.

(Although, while Brits don't have as many freedoms as you do, on the whole Danes are more free than you. You're a nanny state loony bin with regular curfews considered normal in some states, ban on public drinking, laws against not moving on a frigging public street (loitering) . You throw parents in jail if their kids play outside, your colleges are run by SJW loons, your generation of parents are helicopter parents demanding participation awards for their snowflakes and likely sueing their schools if they don't get one. Oh, and your government not only forces you to choose only between two parties by making it harder and harder to run as independent or third party, but most of you are so brainwashed that you don't even see this lack of choice in politics as a lack of freedom, no you see it as guarding you against chaos and "anarchy". And while you're not alone in this lack of freedom, your government also tells you what your minimum wage should be, rather than letting that be up to you and your employer to decide between yourselves. But hey, at least you have more freedom to own guns and a little more press freedoms than us. You totally win the Freedom Game, then. )

Which brings us back to this lunacy about TV license. You're a deluded American who wants to make the method of payment for a public good into some big, idealized matter of "Freedom!". Jesus fucking Christ... You told Hwen today that:

...the point you don't seem to have gotten to is a place where we all arrive when we realize that our childish idealism doesn't comport to reality. i can't think of a place where this is more applicable than politics. get away from childish ideality and step into reality. principles and nobility make for good fiction. and they feel good. but they don't last long in an honest evaluation of reality.

Words to live by. So... try that?

[TheReal_ND]

A FUCKING TV LICENSE

[Okeefenokee]

You're a nanny state loony bin with regular curfews considered normal in some states, ban on public drinking, laws against not moving on a frigging public street (loitering) . You throw parents in jail if their kids play outside, your colleges are run by SJW loons, your generation of parents are helicopter parents demanding participation awards for their snowflakes and likely sueing their schools if they don't get one.

Nope,

[Viktorthepirate]

can't avoid paying for pbs? the hell i can't. just don't pay federal income taxes, which tons of people don't, and there ya go. you get to watch pbs without paying for it.

Ah... that's...nice? People get to use public services without even paying a nickle in taxes for them. And they call our welfare state generous...

From where I see it, the Brits and Danes have even more freedom

they'll throw your ass in prison for criticizing their policies, and they have bbc mafiosos knocking on your door and making threats because they SUSPECT you might be watching tv without a license.

that's some big brother level delusion you got going on there. freedom is slavery, amiright?

You misquoted me by leaving out the essential part of the line, "at least in this regard", it said, and again we're talking only public service funding here, not anything else British.

(Although, while Brits don't have as many freedoms as you do, on the whole Danes are more free than you. You're a nanny state loony bin with regular curfews considered normal in some states, ban on public drinking, laws against not moving on a frigging public street (loitering) . You throw parents in jail if their kids play outside, your colleges are run by SJW loons, your generation of parents are helicopter parents demanding participation awards for their snowflakes and likely sueing their schools if they don't get one. Oh, and your government not only forces you to choose only between two parties by making it harder and harder to run as independent or third party, but most of you are so brainwashed that you don't even see this lack of choice in politics as a lack of freedom, no you see it as guarding you against chaos and "anarchy". And while you're not alone in this lack of freedom, your government also tells you what your minimum wage should be, rather than letting that be up to you and your employer to decide between yourselves. But hey, at least you have more freedom to own guns and a little more press freedoms than us. You totally win the Freedom Game, then. )

Which brings us back to this lunacy about TV license. You're a deluded American who wants to make the method of payment for a public good into some big, idealized matter of "Freedom!". Jesus fucking Christ... You told Hwen today that:

...the point you don't seem to have gotten to is a place where we all arrive when we realize that our childish idealism doesn't comport to reality. i can't think of a place where this is more applicable than politics. get away from childish ideality and step into reality. principles and nobility make for good fiction. and they feel good. but they don't last long in an honest evaluation of reality.

Words to live by. So... try that?

Enjoyed reading that.

[Fife]

[Montegriffo]

Tackling extremism and terrorism to keep the British people safe is emotional words but conspiring on line to commit acts of terrorism is a human right?

Yeah it's the state that is violent and terrorists are a persecuted minority.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Tackling extremism and terrorism to keep the British people safe is emotional words but conspiring on line to commit acts of terrorism is a human right?

Yeah it's the state that is violent and terrorists are a persecuted minority.

Do you think the MHF could ever be hosted in the U.K.? Serious question.