Haven't been around for a while...

[C-Mag]

Let me say this Kath, I sympathize with you and admire you standing against the tide. I've done it before, kind of sucks.

Well, this is likely my last hoorah. I'm checking out, soon. The cognitive dissonance here is nauseating.

Trump lies and you guys call it winning. How can I stick around for that type of cult like following of this man? Just, please, when he asks you to literally drink the kool-aid, don't do it. Seriously. (Also, a comet will not be coming by to pick you up and that man claiming to be Jesus probably isn't.)

This is the man that is telling you the only valid news source are Brietbart & Alex Jones. Think about that.

I want you to stay Kath. I appreciate talking with you.

Years ago when Palin came on the scene I argued forever, against the entire board about Palin. I tried to get people to understand that Palin herself as a person and politician weren't, "it". But there was something in her message about taking on the establishment, etc. that we needed to pay attention to.

If you are going I do want to leave you with this on Trump.

1. We are going to pay some price for Trump unconventional messaging, that you probably see as wild, irresponsible lies.
2. This is Disruptive Marketing, he is shaking up the system to change the conversation. Just because it's different and shocking doesn't mean it is not necessary to cut through the clutter.
3. We don't know if Trump is Dangerous, and Trump has been treated completely unfair by the Corporate Media and the Establishment. Which pisses me off.
4. As to point 3, myself and a lot of other people see what's happening to Trump and empathize with him, because that's how they feel the system has treated them to some extent.

[PartyOf5]

Quit sucking in everything he says as if it's the milk of the goddesses. There's some poison in that milk and it will hurt you if you don't look out for it.

You're fighting for team red. Some are fighting for team blue. I'm fighting for the country. I don't care about party. Haven't in quite some time. If you recall, after about six months in, I was no fan of Obama and was right there with you, challenging him on the bullshit.

C-Mag agreed with you on a number of the Trump statements you said were lies. I agree that he is wrong on the murder rate. Yet you still come at us with claims of blind loyalty (in the form of multiple gaslighting metaphors involving ass juice) while you are the only right and virtuous one here.

My point of view is that these lies have been harmless compared to what we've been told over the past decades from our politicians. Not everything Trump says is a lie. To say that is going overboard into hysteria, IMO.

Meant to edit instead of quote. Added a piece after reading more insulting metaphors fro Kath.

[Okeefenokee]

Yet you still come at us with claims of blind loyalty while you are the only right and virtuous one here.

This is why not one of them has any credibility here. We've put up hundreds of pages of discussion about everything we like and dislike about the administration, and all any of them says in response is, "herp a derp, muh echo chamber."

[C-Mag]

Yet you still come at us with claims of blind loyalty while you are the only right and virtuous one here.

This is why not one of them has any credibility here. We've put up hundreds of pages of discussion about everything we like and dislike about the administration, and all any of them says in response is, "herp a derp, muh echo chamber."

I can't get one person to explain what is so much more damn dangerous about Trump than anyone else. It's not just Kath, it's anyone.
Kath did ok, when she talked about confidence in leadership. I get that. Don't know that it makes him so Dangerous I should panic.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Yet you still come at us with claims of blind loyalty while you are the only right and virtuous one here.

This is why not one of them has any credibility here. We've put up hundreds of pages of discussion about everything we like and dislike about the administration, and all any of them says in response is, "herp a derp, muh echo chamber."

I can't get one person to explain what is so much more damn dangerous about Trump than anyone else. It's not just Kath, it's anyone.
Kath did ok, when she talked about confidence in leadership. I get that. Don't know that it makes him so Dangerous I should panic.

Unpredictability is a bad thing, on a global stage, with thousands of nuclear weapons involved. It's bad for markets, economies, and business too.

Having no clear idea of wtf he's thinking, let alone stands for is a recipe for disaster.

[PartyOf5]

Yet you still come at us with claims of blind loyalty while you are the only right and virtuous one here.

This is why not one of them has any credibility here. We've put up hundreds of pages of discussion about everything we like and dislike about the administration, and all any of them says in response is, "herp a derp, muh echo chamber."

I can't get one person to explain what is so much more damn dangerous about Trump than anyone else. It's not just Kath, it's anyone.
Kath did ok, when she talked about confidence in leadership. I get that. Don't know that it makes him so Dangerous I should panic.

I think your request and my comparing the lies of Trump to the lies of previous politicians (keep you doctor, Benghazi video, WMDs in Iraq, etc..) are on the same track. No one wants to acknowledge or discuss why Trump is so dangerous when others have not created such hyteria with what I would consider more egregious lies.

[C-Mag]

This is why not one of them has any credibility here. We've put up hundreds of pages of discussion about everything we like and dislike about the administration, and all any of them says in response is, "herp a derp, muh echo chamber."

I can't get one person to explain what is so much more damn dangerous about Trump than anyone else. It's not just Kath, it's anyone.
Kath did ok, when she talked about confidence in leadership. I get that. Don't know that it makes him so Dangerous I should panic.

Unpredictability is a bad thing, on a global stage, with thousands of nuclear weapons involved. It's bad for markets, economies, and business too.

Having no clear idea of wtf he's thinking, let alone stands for is a recipe for disaster.

Unpredictability can also be beneficial. Hell Trump even addressed this, said he is going to be unpredictable. In the 80's Reagan played up the Wild Cowboy with his finger on the red button, and the commies were worried about provoking him.

I didn't care for the 6AM tweet about Obama 'wiretapping' him.................... but you know what, it forced the discussion. Congress pushed forward hearings to get to the bottom of it and, as it turned out, yes Trump and his team were being spied on. We can argue about the semantics, but the intent is the same regardless of the tools used to collect the information.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I can't get one person to explain what is so much more damn dangerous about Trump than anyone else. It's not just Kath, it's anyone.
Kath did ok, when she talked about confidence in leadership. I get that. Don't know that it makes him so Dangerous I should panic.

Unpredictability is a bad thing, on a global stage, with thousands of nuclear weapons involved. It's bad for markets, economies, and business too.

Having no clear idea of wtf he's thinking, let alone stands for is a recipe for disaster.

Unpredictability can also be beneficial. Hell Trump even addressed this, said he is going to be unpredictable. In the 80's Reagan played up the Wild Cowboy with his finger on the red button, and the commies were worried about provoking him.

I didn't care for the 6AM tweet about Obama 'wiretapping' him.................... but you know what, it forced the discussion. Congress pushed forward hearings to get to the bottom of it and, as it turned out, yes Trump and his team were being spied on. We can argue about the semantics, but the intent is the same regardless of the tools used to collect the information.

The 80s were a very different time, in terms of financial regulation, geopolitics, and society. There was only 1 Bad Guy, and nobody dared step into the middle of our faceoff. There was no computer-trading in the markets, and nobody had much information on how it all worked. Society was riding high on a wave of patriotism (same as now), but was generally much more stable, compared to now.

I don't think that routine is going to work twice - certainly not right now..

[C-Mag]

The 80s were a very different time, in terms of financial regulation, geopolitics, and society. There was only 1 Bad Guy, and nobody dared step into the middle of our faceoff. There was no computer-trading in the markets, and nobody had much information on how it all worked. Society was riding high on a wave of patriotism (same as now), but was generally much more stable, compared to now.

I don't think that routine is going to work twice - certainly not right now..

So your opinion is that the 21st world is too complex for Unpredictability and that makes Trump dangerous.

If that's your opinion I won't argue it, your free to have you're beliefs.

[Martin Hash]

Lots of people are scared of unpredictability... (Think religion.)