The Left Does not Reason

[Speaker to Animals]

All you guys are doing is projecting bullshit and smokescreen in an attempt to obfuscate the fact that the democratic party organized political violence (aka terrorism) against the American people.

There is no excuse for this, nor for your attempts to cover it up.

At the end of the day, Americans would rather endure Trump than you.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Well done LVH.

[Mercury]

Man this blew up since my blunder post. Only read last 3 pages. Sorry, I'm on the can for just a few minutes before work.

I wanted to say, comparing the Alt-Right to SJWs was an error, I think. SJWs=the religious right. Dogmatic to their bones. Intolerant. They believe that anybody who does not conform to their dogma is harming or oppressing them. Those who disagree with them have made a conscious choice to be on the side of pure evil (Satan, Nazism) Heretofore normal human behavior is actually grave moral wrongs. Etc.

The alt right is, as I said, more of a skeptical movement. But, people who are skeptical and "open minded" can also go off the rails and wind up believing crazy things pretty easily. The Alt-Right's counterpart on the left doesn't have a name, but if I had to pick someone, it would be Jello Biafra and the Dead Kennedys. Hilariously ridiculed Reaganism, the orthodoxy of the day, went after the right's sacred cows, etc. etc. But, that sort of detachment can lead you to taking up some crazy views, which he did. But, the good part is someone like that is never really wed to their views.

Obviously, these are very rough accounts of large groups of different people and don't apply perfectly.

Which leads to the folly of trying to create this dogma of a monolithic left, which is part of a more SJW/Religious right style of thinking. Like putting antitfa in the same bucket as the Dems. I think antifa is mostly anarchists. The Dems are believiers in big government, and also corporate stooges. These are very different things.

The Dems aren't really leftist at all, except, arguably on a few social issues. Depends on how you think the term leftist should be used. But I don't know how you can construe Hillary, a Wal-mart lawyer who favors mass incarceration and, like most Dems, operates mostly on behalf of corporations (except tobacco companies and a few others), and is a hawk who wants to toss Kissinger's salad, as a leftist.

The FDR dems were fairly leftist. Bernie is as well.

Anyway, a political party is just that. It's an affiliation of people trying to get elected. If they are from Mississippi in 1955, they might be super racist. If they are from SF in 2016 they will be very friendly to the rich and socially liberal. Oftentimes, they will be loyal to whoever gives them the most cash, which will vary with the laws. ATM, politicians can get speaking fees, seven figure fake jobs from those they were meant to regulate when they leave office, and of course their campaigns are mostly funded by big business. So, that's what we get.


Once you start up with these stories, it's easy to write. You find some bad actors. Rioters. Cops who kill unjustly or brutalize. You start lumping them all in with the bad team. You figure out some reasons the ones on your team were either justified, or exceptions to the rule. Anybody who can't see why you're good and they are bad must be incapable of reason. I mean, look at all the silly dogma they believe.

Nice.

+1

[LVH2]

All you guys are doing is projecting bullshit and smokescreen in an attempt to obfuscate the fact that the democratic party organized political violence (aka terrorism) against the American people.

There is no excuse for this, nor for your attempts to cover it up.

At the end of the day, Americans would rather endure Trump than you.

Wrong on all counts, I believe.

This stuff about the Dems using Soros to bribe some people to turn protests into riots is a theory. But if true, has little to do with the left, or unreasonableness . It would be a cynical attempt by elites to divide and conquer the population, which would be pretty clearly right wing and, I guess reasonable. In the short term, it seems to push most people conservative though. Which you say yourself.

Again, people can and do tell an almost identical story about police violence. Which objectively dwarfs protest violence, though there are reasons for that. (There are reasons for everything. Rarely is the reason X woke up one morning and decided to be stupid and evil).

Secondly, Bernie would have won, which I think you have acknowledged. Trump has a poor approval rating and won by defeating a super-humanly bad candidate who ran an unbelievably retarded campaign.

If people are rejecting the tactics of social division, which is a lot of what Hillary ran on, that's good for everyone, right and left.

FYI, since I tread in these circles, it is the far left (elements of it) who push back on the "everyone in flyover states is a dumb hick nazi who doesn't deserve healthcare anyway" POV, which is pushed by SJWs and their centrist dem allies.

Recent tweet jumps to mind. Something like, "If you don't think the Grand fucking Wizard of the KKK deserves healthcare and a good wage, you aren't going to like this account."

[jbird4049]

All you guys are doing is projecting bullshit and smokescreen in an attempt to obfuscate the fact that the democratic party organized political violence (aka terrorism) against the American people.

There is no excuse for this, nor for your attempts to cover it up.

At the end of the day, Americans would rather endure Trump than you.

Wrong on all counts, I believe.

This stuff about the Dems using Soros to bribe some people to turn protests into riots is a theory. But if true, has little to do with the left, or unreasonableness . It would be a cynical attempt by elites to divide and conquer the population, which would be pretty clearly right wing and, I guess reasonable. In the short term, it seems to push most people conservative though. Which you say yourself.

Again, people can and do tell an almost identical story about police violence. Which objectively dwarfs protest violence, though there are reasons for that. (There are reasons for everything. Rarely is the reason X woke up one morning and decided to be stupid and evil).

Secondly, Bernie would have won, which I think you have acknowledged. Trump has a poor approval rating and won by defeating a super-humanly bad candidate who ran an unbelievably retarded campaign.

If people are rejecting the tactics of social division, which is a lot of what Hillary ran on, that's good for everyone, right and left.

FYI, since I tread in these circles, it is the far left (elements of it) who push back on the "everyone in flyover states is a dumb hick nazi who doesn't deserve healthcare anyway" POV, which is pushed by SJWs and their centrist dem allies.

Recent tweet jumps to mind. Something like, "If you don't think the Grand fucking Wizard of the KKK deserves healthcare and a good wage, you aren't going to like this account."

Oh Yes!

This is why DSLs and GOPs posts drive me bat crazy insane. Too often we fall for the such tactics allowing us to be played like a musical instrument.

[DrYouth]

Good post LVH

[Speaker to Animals]

I am at the gym now, so I wI'll respond in detail later, but LVHS post was total smokescreen.

It's already been proven that Soros gave black bloc fifty grand to get their people to the location. But more importantly, the DNC was just exposed paying them a similar amount to do the exact same thing. There also are items on the Hillary Clinton campaign books paying off the woman who subcontracted the work out. They were just caught red handed paying these guys to do this in Chicago.

These aren't random people that happen to show up. This is basically a democratic party militia, funded and organized by the democratic party via their subcontractors and donors.

Stop trying to obfuscate this.

[clubgop]

I don't see the party switch theory being able to be held up with data.

It cant. Its almost as if someone on this board has done extensive research on the topic.

Please let GCF, jbird, doughy, and even nuke come with more hocus pocus bullshit. Especially GCF, Mr. Science and evidence spouting convential wisdom with neither science or evidence to back up his bullshit claims. Come on cowardly bitch, come on cowardly bitch, come on cowardly bitch.

Using national elections as proof that Political Parties aren't in control in individual states, or that there membership did not change is bizarre. What party controls a local government doesn't determine who those local voters will vote for in a national election.

So give me Governors Senators, House delegations. Show me this switch go ahead Ill wait. Or do you want me to do it?

[clubgop]

I don't see the party switch theory being able to be held up with data.

It cant. Its almost as if someone on this board has done extensive research on the topic.

Please let GCF, jbird, doughy, and even nuke come with more hocus pocus bullshit. Especially GCF, Mr. Science and evidence spouting convential wisdom with neither science or evidence to back up his bullshit claims. Come on cowardly bitch, come on cowardly bitch, come on cowardly bitch.

Honestly........... is this the level of discussion we can expect on the MHF?
In a thread entitled "the left does not reason" too.

Oh and it's spelled - Conventional (just for next time you want to use a big word)

Typical SJW tactic, cant formulate a response in return so tone police and grammar nazi instead. Fuck off you useless child fucker. You have no argument you know it and now so does everyone else.

[clubgop]

Im 23 years old stuck in between Uzbekistan and Afghanistan with a lot of down time on my hands

I feel like so much was explained right here. You make a whole lot more sense now.

Yes I was serving my country in a 3rd world country while you were taking your dirty uncircumcised, cause you hate religion, dick inside of some poor girl causing her to get a UTI which is treated with a broad spectrum antibiotic which in turn counters the hormone based oral contraceptive she was taking. Because you kidnapped this gril in a basement, because that kind of thing is just what you do in Cleaveland, she had to have sex woth your 3rd world dick again but this time she got pregnant. So you could raise another generation of people that hate American veterans. But Im the bad guy. Sure go with that if it makes you feel better.