Trump's Economic Plan

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Speaker to Animals » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:38 pm

Only two civilizations really can survive it on their own, the west (European peoples) and the eastern Asian peoples (Japan, Korea, China). The west is set on suicide right now, so it looks like maybe only Asia will endure it well. I foresee most of Europe being a string of failed states not unlike North Africa and Arabia. Much of the US will look more like Mexico than the America we know. So I am not sure how well we will endure it. We have the intellectual and creative potential to overcome it better than anyone, but something is seriously wrong with our people right now.

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by StCapps » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:31 pm

Malthusian sky is falling nonsense. Just when you chumps think we are about to run out of oil we find more or discover technology to access more, or we'll discover an even better energy source. Yet you think that will just suddenly stop at some point and civilization as we know it will be doomed. At least Malthus had an excuse that he didn't see the Industrial Revolution coming around making him look stupid for predicting mass starvation, but you have no such excuse. I'm sure that in 2040 you'll be saying peak oil will show up around 2070-2080, clowns. No matter how wrong reality shows y'all to be, you will cling to Malthusian math and doomsday proclamations, sad.
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:24 pm

I admit I was taken in by the Peak Oil scarem. Fool me once...
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by adwinistrator » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:06 am

Martin Hash wrote:I admit I was taken in by the Peak Oil scarem. Fool me once...
Fool you once, oil never runs out?

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by StCapps » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:08 am

adwinistrator wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:I admit I was taken in by the Peak Oil scarem. Fool me once...
Fool you once, oil never runs out?
Peak oil is not about oil running out, it's about assuming a catastrophe will ensue when it does because if it happened today it would be a catastrophe due a lack of good alternatives. If you assume that oil will begin to run out at a point where it won't be doomsday for modern civilization, than you don't think peak oil is a boogeyman worth dreading the way someone like StA does.
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:24 am

StCapps wrote:
adwinistrator wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:I admit I was taken in by the Peak Oil scarem. Fool me once...
Fool you once, oil never runs out?
Peak oil is not about oil running out, it's about assuming a catastrophe will ensue when it does because if it happened today it would be a catastrophe due a lack of good alternatives. If you assume that oil will begin to run out at a point where it won't be doomsday for modern civilization, than you don't think peak oil is a boogeyman worth dreading the way someone like StA does.

Peak oil is NOT about oil running out. It's simply the event at which global demand for oil exceeds the maximum possible supply. You can reach that through depletion of oil reserves *and* rapid increase in demand for oil. There can be plenty of oil in the ground and we still hit peak oil. We could be at peak oil right now if Asia were developed in the same way as North America.

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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by adwinistrator » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:24 am

StCapps wrote:
adwinistrator wrote:
Martin Hash wrote:I admit I was taken in by the Peak Oil scarem. Fool me once...
Fool you once, oil never runs out?
Peak oil is not about oil running out, it's about assuming a catastrophe will ensue when it does because if it happened today it would be a catastrophe due a lack of good alternatives. If you assume that oil will begin to run out at a point where it won't be doomsday for modern civilization, than you don't think peak oil is a boogeyman worth dreading the way someone like StA does.
I was just kidding, as you can see by my previous posts I understand what peak oil is about...

While it might not be the apocalypse for technologically advanced countries, I'm sure you can understand that it will be a catastrophe for most developing and 3rd world countries.
Speaker to Animals wrote:Peak oil is NOT about oil running out. It's simply the event at which global demand for oil exceeds the maximum possible supply. You can reach that through depletion of oil reserves *and* rapid increase in demand for oil. There can be plenty of oil in the ground and we still hit peak oil. We could be at peak oil right now if Asia were developed in the same way as North America.
Yup. I found the best way to characterize it is "demand exceeds profitable supply".
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:53 am

Interesting article on why the stock market isn't reacting to all of the disruption.. there really hasn't been any.

https://riskreversal.com/2017/02/15/mor ... dc-comics/
But, here’s the thing. We know how quickly media focus turns to the next election. And if these scandals continue and gum up the works of the new president and congress’ agenda (somewhat surprisingly based on the hype, very little actual policy has been changed so far) we may find ourselves deep into the run-up to midterm elections.
From the link:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ing-214775
The key problem here is understanding Trump’s executive orders and presidential memoranda. Trump very quickly seized on the signing of these as media opportunities, and each new order and memo has been staged and announced as dramatic steps to alter the course of the country. Not accustomed to presidents whose words mean little when it comes to actual policy, opponents have seized on these as proof that Trump represents a malign force, while supporters have pointed to these as proof that Trump is actually fulfilling his campaign promises.

Neither is correct. The official documents have all the patina of “big deals” but when parsed and examined turn out to be far, far less than they appear.


I have to admit, I've been pretty drawn in by the hype as well, assuming that he would get some kind of massive funding support from the GOP congress, but it hasn't happened. Tempest in a teapot while the world burns?
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by StCapps » Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:30 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
StCapps wrote:
adwinistrator wrote:
Fool you once, oil never runs out?
Peak oil is not about oil running out, it's about assuming a catastrophe will ensue when it does because if it happened today it would be a catastrophe due a lack of good alternatives. If you assume that oil will begin to run out at a point where it won't be doomsday for modern civilization, than you don't think peak oil is a boogeyman worth dreading the way someone like StA does.

Peak oil is NOT about oil running out. It's simply the event at which global demand for oil exceeds the maximum possible supply. You can reach that through depletion of oil reserves *and* rapid increase in demand for oil. There can be plenty of oil in the ground and we still hit peak oil. We could be at peak oil right now if Asia were developed in the same way as North America.
Rapid increase in demand that leads to a global catastrophe, that's peak oil. You think the consequences will be so dire that it will be the end modern civilization. Your even dumb enough to think we maybe already hit peak oil. You think America is about to collapse into a civil war sometime real soon, John Titor style. You have a bunch of overblown fears based on the end of modern civilization, the fact is you are just prone to believe in that kind of sky is falling nonsense.
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Re: Trump's Economic Plan

Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:10 pm

StCapps wrote:
Speaker to Animals wrote:
StCapps wrote:Peak oil is not about oil running out, it's about assuming a catastrophe will ensue when it does because if it happened today it would be a catastrophe due a lack of good alternatives. If you assume that oil will begin to run out at a point where it won't be doomsday for modern civilization, than you don't think peak oil is a boogeyman worth dreading the way someone like StA does.

Peak oil is NOT about oil running out. It's simply the event at which global demand for oil exceeds the maximum possible supply. You can reach that through depletion of oil reserves *and* rapid increase in demand for oil. There can be plenty of oil in the ground and we still hit peak oil. We could be at peak oil right now if Asia were developed in the same way as North America.
Rapid increase in demand that leads to a global catastrophe, that's peak oil. You think the consequences will be so dire that it will be the end modern civilization. Your even dumb enough to think we maybe already hit peak oil. You think America is about to collapse into a civil war sometime real soon, John Titor style. You have a bunch of overblown fears based on the end of modern civilization, the fact is you are just prone to believe in that kind of sky is falling nonsense.

I don't think we hit peak oil. I just stated not ten posts back I think it's probably going to happen decades from now. You are high. Get some rest.