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Post by BjornP » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:05 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39672498
Roman Valeryevich Seleznev, 32, was convicted in August for stealing credit card data from US restaurants, causing nearly $170m (£132m) in damages.
Russian MP Valery Seleznev said the sentence was "passed by man-eaters" and that his son was "abducted".
Seleznev made millions by selling the data on the dark web, US officials say.

"It's a sentence passed by man-eaters...My son was abducted," Mr Seleznevtold RIA Novosti news agency.
Mr Seleznev, a member of the lower house of the Russian legislature known as the Duma, is an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, the New York Times reports.

"My son was tortured because being in jail in a foreign country after abduction is torture in itself. He is innocent," he continued.
Mr Seleznev, a member of the the nationalist Liberal Democratic Party (LDPR), added that he viewed the sentence as a life sentence because his son would never survive 27 years in prison.
Abduction! Torture! Life sentence! :lol:
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Post by ssu » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:55 am

Smitty-48 wrote:There's no such thing as an "Ex-British Spy", once your vetted into MI6, you're MI6 for life, "hired him" is just plausible deniability for the British government, if they got the dossier cooked up by "Ex-MI6", that's the same thing as getting it cooked up by MI6, there is no "Ex", that "private security firm" would just be a front for Vauxall Cross without the British ever having to avow it, thus, they didn't really "hire" anybody, they just went to the British to provide the dossier, so it wouldn't be connected to CIA, they wanted to offshore the source, and dress it up with the "MI6" brand, to make it seem more credible, and to deflect from it being an all inside the Beltway job.

They're not going to say that the source is the CIA, that's hitting too close to home, and the CIA can't be seen to be trying to smear their own CinC, so they say "It's not us, it's the British, MI6 is saying this", because then it's an ostensible "disinterested third party", and they well know that "British Intelligence" carries a certain cachet in America, so they wanted the "MI6" branding on it; "007 says Donald Trump is a Russian Agent".

You think the FISA judge is any less susceptible to the "007" branding? Don't bet on it, judges ain't that different from anybody else.

That's the whole point, that's the seed they were planting, this is not just a partisan smear job coming from a bunch of hacks inside the Beltway, "we're getting this straight from James Bond & Co!"

And it's circular, because first they brand it as "MI6", then the CIA can come out and say "it's not us saying this, but, we can confirm that the person who is saying this, is the real deal, 007" which is what they did.

First you get "British Intelligence" to do the dirty work, then all you have to do is come out and vet the source as being legit; "British Intelligence", and then the shit just sells itself, you don't have to vet the dossier itself, you can remain detached from the contents of the dossier, just vet the source, and then let the contents of the dossier do the damage without having to own it.
Getting a FISA warrent on Carter Page after he comes up on a totally different FBI investigation years ago with Russian spies (who part were jailed and part fled to Russia) talking of Page as a recruited agent isn't so hard.

Besides, here's Carter Page telling Russia Today how US-Russian relations are going to improve (once Trump takes office) and brings up Rosneft and it's leadership, which is at the center of the investigation and allegations now:
(Russia Today,2016) Page also said he was keen for the Russian market to reopen for American investors who had been stopped from doing business by sanctions.

“US and European companies are very interested in returning to the Russian market,” he said. “Their interest cuts across a vast array of sectors.”

“The hostile efforts to punish Rosneft and their senior management team through western sanctions have primarily hurt western companies, rather than their intended target.”
See Russia Today article

Yep, Mr Page isn't the smartest guy around...

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Post by Smitty-48 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:23 am

I see no national security issue there, so that's just more of the same, FISA as a political weapon, J. Edgar Hoover style, McCarthyism 2.0

They're all Nixon now, the crimes of Tricky Dick, have come full circle back to being standard operating procedure.

Americans have the nostalgia to go back to the good ol' days of the 1950's? Well then, in terms of using the state security apparatus to get your political opponents; welcome back.

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Post by kybkh » Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:42 am

Russia is helping the far left AND the far right!!!

Wut doo??
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Post by BjornP » Sun Apr 23, 2017 11:10 am

kybkh wrote:Russia is helping the far left AND the far right!!!

Wut doo??
Russia simply works with whomever offers the best opportunities for an expansion of Russian influence in the world, same as the US, or any other greater power has done throughout all of time. The Cold War era of ideological warfare was the historical outlier, not the historical norm. Just like the US supports regimes and policies of foreign governments whose actions it would not support domestically , indeed who are anathema to the values and history of its domestic culture, Russia does the same with leftist and right-wing groups in Europe and the US.
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Post by Montegriffo » Thu May 11, 2017 9:24 am

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For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu May 11, 2017 10:03 am

:lol:

"Expansion of Russian influence..."

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Post by ssu » Thu May 11, 2017 11:41 am

Montegriffo wrote:Image
Unfortunately I don't find the exact copy of the Soviet propaganda poster done with Imperialist Capitalists trying to strangle Soviet Union,
but freedom blossoming with the people democracies emerging in Eastern Europe after WW2.

Yet it's so nice to see you the alt-right taking rhetoric from the far-left.

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After all, the real enemy seems to be Hillary and the Deep State, right?

(Btw, the map of the military bases is out of date. No US bases in Central Asian countries except Afghanistan.)

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Post by C-Mag » Thu May 11, 2017 12:27 pm

Montegriffo wrote:Image
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Well Played Sir, well played :clap:
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Re: Russia! Russia!! Russia!!!

Post by Montegriffo » Thu May 11, 2017 1:25 pm

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For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
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