Our Guy Flynn

[StCapps]

]In the end it doesn't seem so outrageous: an incoming administration official telling what the incoming administration will do. And even if Flynn naturally understood that everything is going to be recorded, who cares, he would be in charge in a few days from then.
After all, the Trump campaign was in contact with the Russians. Even the Russians have come out to say that it is so. Only in hindsight it looks as a bad thing... when it came out to the public.

No it was easy to see coming as a worst case scenario in foresight and to take that risk is outright re-fucking-tarded.

Well, Spicer is surely making a big deal about it. So don't blame it's just the "fake news".

Spicer isn't making this into a big deal, he's downplaying the fuck out of it.

[StCapps]

I don't think that's how it was, I don't think Trump thought it was illegal to quid pro quo with the Russians, I don't think Trump was thinking that they couldn't do this, and I don't think Trump was running this shit by his lawyers before he was telling Flynn to do it, I think Flynn knew it was sketchy, but Flynn loves to be the rebel, he loves to flaunt the rules, I think Flynn figured, fuck em, I know they're listening, so what? And besides, I have the President to back me up, I don't think Flynn thought that Trump would throw him under the bus for this, and moreover, they have apparently been dealing with the Russians for months, so it's not like Trump and Flynn weren't into the swing of things, playing fast and loose with the Russians, Trump and Flynn are the same about doing what they want to do, and then saying fuck em if they don't like it...

..until Trump was actually President, and things were not going that smoothly, and all of a sudden, the lawyers come to Trump and say "no, seriously, this is a jackpot, they could nail you on this, with a felony", at which point, it all suddenly comes rushing in, whoops, this is a problem, this shit needs to go away, and it needs to go away right now... emergency, emergency, save me, Pence, save me...

That's assuming way too much stupidity on the part of both Flynn for me to buy without adequate evidence. It's possible but not overly likely based on the evidence presented thus far, seems a lot more like wishful thinking on the part of the media and seems like you letting rampant speculation get the best of you.

Why you agree with media's assessment of this situation, at this point, I just don't get it.
/shrugs

[Smitty-48]

And see, what they're saying now; obvious bullshit is obvious, obvious damage control in a panic is obvious, it's just making them look guilty, it's classic Nixonian damage control

"It was all Flynn, Flynn came up with this himself, nobody told him to do it, the President didn't know anything about it, Flynn went rogue, he never told us he was doing this, and when we asked him about it, he lied to us..."

I mean, yeah, sure, right, tell us another one, this is just making the media version seem more credible, the WH version being such utter bullshit on the face of it, so conveniently contrived for Flynn to take the fall in order to insulate the President, which is what they do, when the President is caught in a jackpot.

[StCapps]

And see, what they're saying now; obvious bullshit is obvious, obvious damage control in a panic is obvious, it's just making them look guilty, it's classic Nixonian damage control

"It was all Flynn, Flynn came up with this himself, nobody told him to do it, the President didn't know anything about it, Flynn went rogue, he never told us he was doing this, and when we asked him about it, he lied to us..."

I mean, yeah, sure, right, tell us another one, this is just making the media version seem more credible, the WH version being such obvious bullshit.

Yeah the WH spin is bullshit, but it's better than media's spin right now. It's only worse than the media's spin if the media actually has them dead to rights. That doesn't make me buy the media's spin any more and it shouldn't make you buy their narrative either. Of course the WH are going to lie to make themselves look better and so is the media, but that doesn't mean that either is an indication that there is a huge cover up.

[Smitty-48]

I'm not buying anybody's narrative, I'm just blue skying here, but at the same time, the WH is making me think they are guilty, by the way they are reacting, even if I account for media bias, just because the media is biased, doesn't mean they're not on to something, and the way the WH is reacting, they are the ones making me think the media are on to something, it's not the media narrative, it's the Nixonian response to media which is failing the smell test.

[StCapps]

I'm not buying anybody's narrative, I'm just blue skying here, but at the same time, the WH is making me think they are guilty, by the way they are reacting, even if I account for media bias, just because the media is biased, doesn't mean they're not on to something, and the way the WH is reacting, they are the ones making me think the media are on to something, it's not the media narrative, it's the Nixonian response to media which is failing the smell test.

The reaction could easily be that way for different motives than you are surmising though. They could be acting that way because there is something else worth hiding but no one is caught dead to rights. Blue-skying indeed.

[Smitty-48]

Basically; the WH is obviously lying, if they're not guilty, why would they need to lie?

[StCapps]

Basically; the WH is obviously lying, if they're not guilty, why would they need to lie?

They are guilty of something that would look bad, but not as bad as the worst case scenario you envision, obviously. Why does it have to be 100% innocent or 100% guilty? Why can't it be a shade of grey? Clearly the outcome is far more likely to be somewhere between those extremes than at either end.

[Smitty-48]

If it was a shade of grey, they wouldn't need to stonewall with an obvious lie, the WH version of events is total bullshit on the face of it, while the media version of events is seeming much more plausible all the time.

Like, If the WH came out and said the truth "the Logan Act is an obscure legislation from 1799 which is unconsitutional and shouldn't even be on the books, and moreover, we didn't undermine the United States by speaking with the Russians, we were speaking with the Russians in the interests of the United States, and if these clowns in Congress or whomever want to charge somebody under the Logan Act, we will fight it all the way to the supreme court!" Courage of convictons, loud and proud.

OK, that would not only be grey, but it would be the truth, and it would be MAGA, but what the WH is actually doing, is lying through their teeth about it, which makes it seem like this little Flynn thing being outed so far, is actually just the tip of the iceberg, and they are stonewalling, because there is much more to it than just this one incident, and they can't come out and tell the truth, because things will start to get even sketchier, once the ball of yarn starts to unravel.

[adwinistrator]

They've got Flynn dead to rights, no FISA required, if he's talking to the Russians, then he conspires with them and in doing so violates the Logan Act, that's busted, that's the whole reason why the NSA is allowed to conduct the intercept if one party is an American and the other is a foreign target, in case the American is conspiring with the foreigners, which apparently he was.

Honestly, this is the one thing that has me confused.

What the fuck was Flynn thinking? He's by all accounts a smart man. He was Director of the DIA for god sake. Did he not understand at the moment the Obama administration was kicking out all these Russian diplomats that, oh, I don't know, the NSA might be listening?

Did he just assume he was untouchable, and it didn't matter if the NSA listened, or did he really think a soon to be deported Russian diplomat's cell phone was a secure line?