THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Cid]

Yeah except I'm some jackass on the internet and he's the next leader of the free world. Expectations for the president elect should be wildly different than they are for me.

Why would he stop doing it when it is working out for him beautifully? Perhaps if it wasn't benefiting him it would make sense for him to stop, but while it continues to help him at the expense of his haters, it makes zero sense to dial it back just because some people misinterpreted what he was saying.

Because it would be natural to assume he is unhinged if he's talking about going after peoples families in the context where he wants to bomb them back to the stoneage in the context where he wants to bring back torture and worse?

Because that's not great for the national cohesion he also says he wants?

Because at this point the only way to explain his words and the hopeful disconnect with future actions is to make a good argument that he's way better at all the evil shit Clinton was accused of, just without the experience in government?

I mean fuck man, when the logic of constantly maneuvering around criticisms or reactions to him is, "He's doing it so he can win," I'm not sure the whole "Make America Great Again!" is exempt from that.

[StCapps]

Because it would be natural to assume he is unhinged if he's talking about going after peoples families in the context where he wants to bomb them back to the stoneage in the context where he wants to bring back torture and worse?

No it's natural to assume it's saber rattling to look tough on terror and win votes, especially when he says it during a Republican primary.

Because at this point the only way to explain his words and the hopeful disconnect with future actions is to make a good argument that he's way better at all the evil shit Clinton was accused of, just without the experience in government?

Trump is better than Clinton at making outrageous opening statements that grab him attention and don't backfire, despite his lack of political experience. That doesn't mean that Trump is actually better at doing evil things than Clinton, it just makes him a better salesman than her.

I mean fuck man, when the logic of constantly maneuvering around criticisms or reactions to him is, "He's doing it so he can win," I'm not sure the whole "Make America Great Again!" is exempt from that.

I'm not sure the whole "Make America Great Again!" is exempt from that either. If it didn't help him win, he wouldn't have made it his campaign slogan. Whether Trump actually plans on delivering on that slogan probably depends on whether "Making America Great Again" lines up with his own self-interest. In the instances where Trump's self-interest does line up with MAGA, he'll probably try to do so and then brag about it. Where his self-interest doesn't line up with MAGA, he'll probably ignore Making America Great Again and pursue his own self-interest. In this way Trump is not that different from any other politician.

[apeman]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comm ... th_donald/

Reddit asks:

People who have met or dealt with Donald Trump in person prior to the race, what was he like?serious replies only

Very interesting, makes Donald sound like a pretty great guy actually.

[Cid]

My beef with Trump, and the reason I'm on the left and I voted Clinton, was because I felt she did a better job of presenting a plan and herself. Hell, I think she had a pair to get on stage with him (and truthfully, I feel the same about Trump, which is why I'm fine with him as president.) He won because he was better than her at the things I'm not really a fan of (pandering to the stupids and racists while making deals that are going to sell us out.)

So while I can pity my poor fellow lefties for feeling like they need safe spaces, I view them as being in a corner with their Alt-Right trolls. Removed from reality and believing they're at the end of history.

If he can break some of the globalization that siphons American wealth and power, great. I'll vote for him in 2020. I'll say after Clinton came out against TPP I looked it up, and it may have been the best shot at protecting American IP in a world where the internet makes IP something you need to protect. The secrecy around it is explained by the fact that it actually screws over China in a lot ways.

But hey, if Trump can get a better deal I've got no loyalty to anyone. If he leads well then he'll be my leader.

But I think a lot of motherfuckers should have done that with Obama, and they had their hissyfits and their "not my president" horseshit and complained about taxes (because God forbid we pay for the shit we bought now rather than debt god damn spending). I don't have to like the parties, but until the ignorant masses realize they're getting played, I will work with them because hubris is going to hand you your ass every time. Perhaps the greatest thing Trump has given this country is an opportunity to realize that if you get beat you might have to act like you've been beaten.

[DrYouth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comm ... th_donald/

Reddit asks:

People who have met or dealt with Donald Trump in person prior to the race, what was he like?serious replies only

Very interesting, makes Donald sound like a pretty great guy actually.

Good link apeBro.

[TheReal_ND]

I'll say after Clinton came out against TPP I looked it up, and it may have been the best shot at protecting American IP in a world where the internet makes IP something you need to protect. The secrecy around it is explained by the fact that it actually screws over China in a lot ways.

I feel like you are conflating two different things; TPP and the ICANN hand off. Is that what is going on?

[Cid]

Nah, ICANN was a non-issue Ted Cruz wanted to piss on about. China doesn't need ICANN, only reason ICANN had power was because we started with it, but people want to wall off the internet there's nothing to stop that. Tossing ICANN to the globe was just logical if you wanted to keep the internet worldwide (well the part you can see easily, darknet TOR shit is another matter.)

TPP gives a lot more avenues for protecting IP abroad, legally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pac ... provisions

Puts China in a corner. Sure it gives pharma, Hollywood, RIAA, and their shit more reach, but honestly that's independent of patent reform in the US and TPP would have allowed US law to extend to other nations, including future reforms.

[TheReal_ND]

I see no reason any positive, pro western alliance, deals couldn't be negotiated in the clear light of day instead of being rammed through in the undemocratic fashion that was attempted with TPP.

[apeman]

rammed through in the undemocratic fashion that was attempted with TPP.

That my issue too, for all I know I support the TPP, except that I have no idea what is going by design, and the people in charge do not deserve trust.

[Cid]

Herpa derpa, I'll paraphrase some from our president elect, you don't let your antagonists in on your secrets retard. President Trump isn't going to let you see in his bag just because you think that's how it should be, President Trump is going to pull from his bag whatever the fuck he needs to pull to MAGA.

Edit: Also, rammed through, because Senate votes can be described that way.