THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

You always got it wrong and referred to the CIA report, when I (and others) were referring to the FBI/Homeland Security report and then the publisized report By the Director of National Intelligence.

Habeas Corpus, or just STFU.

[Smitty-48]

Anyway, this mess isn't going to go away:

Sure it is, the American public doesn't give a rat's ass about Ukraine, if the Democucks make an issue of this for the next two years, they'll get crushed in the mid-terms, if they keep going from there, they'll get crushed in the next general election, the Democucks are completely out of touch with the electorate, where it counts in the swing districts, where they voted for Trump's agenda, and will punish those who attempt to stand in the way.

[ssu]

Since Trump's election has been called into question by the DNC hacking email scandal and who was responsible- the media here have been accusing Russia of hacking the DNC (and according to the to reports they also hacked the RNC but didn't release any info to Wikileaks) because they wanted Trump to win the presidency (which he did). People who supported Trump (and not through political affiliation either but the 30 some % that truly support him and not because he has an R after his name) have no become Russia's greatest ally here in the US. I mean people here are now gun hoe about how great Russia is and why we aren't friends with them (just look at nuke's posts) is crazy. Roughly a year ago these same people were accusing Obama on being soft with Russia and now they are praising Putin.

People are stuck in the campaign mode, and absolutely hate to their guts the opposite sides. Naturally they will defend their candidate to the last.

Believe me, if Trump would be impeached, Trump followers will view the whole thing as a conspiracy By the evil Washington elites and the accusations/evidence/whatever being made up.

The sad part here is that this thing would have gone on just as now if it would be Hillary being the next president. People here would be just the one's demanding the inquiries and not defending their next president.

[ssu]

Sure it is, the American public doesn't give a rat's ass about Ukraine, if the Democucks make an issue of this for the next two years, they'll get crushed in the mid-terms, if they keep going from there, they'll get crushed in the next general election, the Democucks are completely out of touch with the electorate, where it counts in the swing districts, where they voted for Trump's agenda, and will punish those who attempt to stand in the way.

Bullshit.

The US electorate will stay as divided as it is now. And the Trump presidency will be as scandal infested as the Bill Clinton presidency, perhaps even more. Likely it will just come even worse. Both sides hate each other so much, that likely it will be even worse later.

[Smitty-48]

Reality check; none of this geopolitical mumbo jumbo matters a whit to the electorate, much ado about nothing, if the economy improves, Trump will be unstoppable, note; they actually impeached Bill Clinton; big whoop.

After they read the articles of impeachement, Clinton's approval rating jumped 10 points, because his base was just incited to rally around him, if they try to impeach Trump, he'll just get more popular with his base, win-win, bring it on; hoist yourselves on your own petards, liberals, you'll simply be throwing gasoline on the fire burning against you.

The only thing that can bring Trump down at this point, is the economy, he lives or dies on his economic plan, and nothing else.

[TheReal_ND]

Roughly a year ago these same people were accusing Obama on being soft with Russia

Nah. I've sided with Putin since the Ukraine crises. Has nothing to do with the election or Trump actually.

[Smitty-48]

The US electorate will stay as divided as it is now. And the Trump presidency will be as scandal infested as the Bill Clinton presidency, perhaps even more. Likely it will just come even worse. Both sides hate each other so much, that likely it will be even worse later.

So what? The side that backs Trump will continue to back him to the hilt, so long as the economy prospers, thus, the Democucks can shriek about him until they are blue in the face, or rather bluer in the face than they are already, he lives or dies by the economy and nothing else, the Democucks are sidelined, they don't matter at this juncture, and if the economy goes up, not for at least the next eight years neither.

If Trump's economic plan works, his numbers will go through the roof and he will be unstoppable. If the American economy is firing on all cylinders and Vladimir Putin also prospers, who cares? Finland? Ukraine? Big whoop.

[ssu]

If Trump's economic plan works, his numbers will go through the roof and he will be unstoppable. If the American economy is firing on all cylinders and Vladimir Putin also prospers, who cares? Finland? Ukraine? Big whoop.

(When Russia prospers, we prosper. We have been one of the hardest hit countries by the sanctions, even if the devaluation of the ruble was the bigger factor. Especially near the border you can see it from the lack of Russian tourists that were everywhere before.)

Here's the difference: Obama came in when the economic downturn had happened, hence for him there was some improvement in the economy. With Trump, there has been now a long time of mediocre growth. Let's just see, how the economy goes from here.

But your correct that finally it's the performance of the economy that matters (which isn't so much in the hands of US Presidents).

Clinton style scandalous politics Trump has already brought with him even before he is inaugerated. As some political commentator commented, perhaps Trump's tweets simply ought to be ignored as non-important and try to look at actual decisions.

[Smitty-48]

Anytime you want to stop concern trolling and just sit back and find out what happens, is fine by me, ssu, although, I think we all find it amusing to slap concern trolls around too, so whatevs, suit yourself.

How many times do we have to say that we are going to give Trump a chance, find out what he does first, and then decide what we think about that, when he actually does it?

Everything with you is doom n' gloom storm clouds on the horizon concern trolling speculation, when we call you on that, you turn around and say "why don't we just find out what happens?"

Yes, fuckstick, why don't we just do that?

[TheReal_ND]

The only confirmed Clinton like scandal I think Trump is bringing in with him, outside of Trump U, is pussygate. Really pussygate is kind of tame compared to the confirmed scandals of the Clintons. Let alone unconfirmed ones, because I will if the IC is willing to do the same.