It’s not a question of stability. China directlyStCapps wrote:You'd like to think that, but it's not true. The regime is far more stable than you think, which is why they constantly defy China and China has no real control over them.Penner wrote:No that's fair assement. Without China GO would've been either invaded and/collapsed by now.StCapps wrote:Wishful thinking.
That doesn't mean that NK will fall apart if China does the US a solid, and "stops protecting them". China is not going to fix this problem for you. Sanctions are not going to put an end to NK if China just joins in, be real. You might want the regime in NK to fall apart, but wishing it were so, doesn't make it so, China or no China.GrumpyCatFace wrote:It’s not a question of stability. China directly
Created them, and has protected them for 60 years.
Not actually true, the chief benefactor and protector of the North Koreans was always the Soviets, the Chinese-NK relationship has always been ambivalent at best, at worst, sworn enemies. The Kim dynasty wasn't born in Beijing, but rather Moscow, Kim Il Sung was a Major in the Soviet Red Army, before the People's Republic of China even existed, the regime in Pyongyang predates the PRC; installed by the Soviets in September of 1945.GrumpyCatFace wrote:It’s not a question of stability. China directlyStCapps wrote:You'd like to think that, but it's not true. The regime is far more stable than you think, which is why they constantly defy China and China has no real control over them.Penner wrote: No that's fair assement. Without China GO would've been either invaded and/collapsed by now.
Created them, and has protected them for 60 years.
It's funny how GCF fancies himself to be so insightful, as he drinks the Domino Theory Kool-Aid like a rube circa 1950. lol.StCapps wrote:That doesn't mean that NK will fall apart if China does the US a solid, and "stops protecting them". China is not going to fix this problem for you. Sanctions are not going to put an end to NK if China just joins in, be real. You might want the regime in NK to fall apart, but wishing it were so, doesn't make it so, China or no China.GrumpyCatFace wrote:It’s not a question of stability. China directly
Created them, and has protected them for 60 years.
Lolz....no......KerningChameleon wrote:Yawn. The rest of my countrymen are in denial because the idea the United States could actually be powerless now to topple or even just pressure an oppressive dictatorship would be a massive blow to their nationalistic egos, but that's the reality that we'll eventually have to accept. They have the big honkin' ICBM now, they can put probably any nuclear warhead they have on it, MIRV is absolutely an available research path to them now, they seem to be plugging right along on solid fuel development, there will almost certainly be be an airburst test over the Pacific within the next five years, and I'd be willing to bet it'll happen within the next year.
The Kims have obtained their long-sought leverage. Now they can be the ones dragging their adversaries to the negotiating table and dictate terms to negotiate down from, not the other way around. China will do nothing, they hate the Koreans but Kim-controlled NK is a useful tool for them to continue driving a wedge between the US and Japan/ROK, especially now that they have ICBM nukes, not in spite of them.
These are all undeniable facts now. Welcome to the New Southeast Asian Order, get used to it kids.
How on earth did you even connect that to “Domino Theory”? The Chinks literally fielded a million-man-Army in the 50s and stopped us from beating them to death.Smitty-48 wrote:It's funny how GCF fancies himself to be so insightful, as he drinks the Domino Theory Kool-Aid like a rube circa 1950. lol.StCapps wrote:That doesn't mean that NK will fall apart if China does the US a solid, and "stops protecting them". China is not going to fix this problem for you. Sanctions are not going to put an end to NK if China just joins in, be real. You might want the regime in NK to fall apart, but wishing it were so, doesn't make it so, China or no China.GrumpyCatFace wrote:It’s not a question of stability. China directly
Created them, and has protected them for 60 years.
Fuckin Millenials, you'd think with the internet they'd be the most informed generation in history, yet somehow they've turned out to be totally ignorant. All that information at their fingertips, yet they never bother to read any of it, because they're too busy shooting their mouths off on social media about shit they haven't bothered to study.
They don't have to actually shoot the missile (well, missiles, who knows how many of the things they'll be able to produce and have on standby as the years go on), they just have to prove they can and convince you they will fire them if they feel existentially threatened. Which goes beyond actual invasion, they will almost certainly agitate in the coming months that continued sanctions represent a now intolerable threat to the North Korean state. It's good old Nixon Play-The-Madman Theory. And it'll work, people in power are way more skittish about the possibility of actual nuclear attack outbreak than you seem to believe. Probably because they have a much more informed view of what the actual threat landscape is, and how dancing on the knife's edge we really are.Zlaxer wrote:Lolz....no......KerningChameleon wrote:Yawn. The rest of my countrymen are in denial because the idea the United States could actually be powerless now to topple or even just pressure an oppressive dictatorship would be a massive blow to their nationalistic egos, but that's the reality that we'll eventually have to accept. They have the big honkin' ICBM now, they can put probably any nuclear warhead they have on it, MIRV is absolutely an available research path to them now, they seem to be plugging right along on solid fuel development, there will almost certainly be be an airburst test over the Pacific within the next five years, and I'd be willing to bet it'll happen within the next year.
The Kims have obtained their long-sought leverage. Now they can be the ones dragging their adversaries to the negotiating table and dictate terms to negotiate down from, not the other way around. China will do nothing, they hate the Koreans but Kim-controlled NK is a useful tool for them to continue driving a wedge between the US and Japan/ROK, especially now that they have ICBM nukes, not in spite of them.
These are all undeniable facts now. Welcome to the New Southeast Asian Order, get used to it kids.
They take out 1 US city....no more DPRK....the shoot one missile that looks like it's headed for US territory....we intercept...then no more DPRK....stop drinking the koolaid...
We can make thousands of interceptors....how many ICBMs can the DPRK make?
Not actually what they did, first they let you beat them to death, then they invaded to take control, they deliberately let you annihilate the North Korean Army, just to get rid of them, they well knew that the NK's were a Soviet proxy leveraged against China, the Chinese wanted the regime decapitated and at their mercy.GrumpyCatFace wrote: The Chinks literally fielded a million-man-Army in the 50s and stopped us from beating them to death.
KerningChameleon wrote:They don't have to actually shoot the missile (well, missiles, who knows how many of the things they'll be able to produce and have on standby as the years go on), they just have to prove they can and convince you they will fire them if they feel existentially threatened. Which goes beyond actual invasion, they will almost certainly agitate in the coming months that continued sanctions represent a now intolerable threat to the North Korean state. It's good old Nixon Play-The-Madman Theory. And it'll work, people in power are way more skittish about the possibility of actual nuclear attack outbreak than you seem to believe. Probably because they have a much more informed view of what the actual threat landscape is, and how dancing on the knife's edge we really are.Zlaxer wrote:Lolz....no......KerningChameleon wrote:Yawn. The rest of my countrymen are in denial because the idea the United States could actually be powerless now to topple or even just pressure an oppressive dictatorship would be a massive blow to their nationalistic egos, but that's the reality that we'll eventually have to accept. They have the big honkin' ICBM now, they can put probably any nuclear warhead they have on it, MIRV is absolutely an available research path to them now, they seem to be plugging right along on solid fuel development, there will almost certainly be be an airburst test over the Pacific within the next five years, and I'd be willing to bet it'll happen within the next year.
The Kims have obtained their long-sought leverage. Now they can be the ones dragging their adversaries to the negotiating table and dictate terms to negotiate down from, not the other way around. China will do nothing, they hate the Koreans but Kim-controlled NK is a useful tool for them to continue driving a wedge between the US and Japan/ROK, especially now that they have ICBM nukes, not in spite of them.
These are all undeniable facts now. Welcome to the New Southeast Asian Order, get used to it kids.
They take out 1 US city....no more DPRK....the shoot one missile that looks like it's headed for US territory....we intercept...then no more DPRK....stop drinking the koolaid...
We can make thousands of interceptors....how many ICBMs can the DPRK make?
Also, interceptors don't do jack against ICBMs, those suckers fly out past the ISS, that's what allows them to be intercontinental. You seem to be operating on very poor, incomplete knowledge of how modern nuclear weapons actually work, our so-called "missile defence" is a fucking security blanket, not an actual reliable counter-measure.
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