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Post by de officiis » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:15 pm

TheReal_ND wrote:https://www.rt.com/news/384595-china-korea-us-action/

Ok. Scratch all that China cooperation speculation...
"Military force cannot resolve the issue,” Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters in Beijing. “Amid challenge there is opportunity. Amid tensions we will also find a kind of opportunity to return to talks.”

I find myself in agreement...
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Post by Smitty-48 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:25 pm

kybkh wrote:What do you think Smitty? Putin parked one off the coast? Figure he'd be more interested in Kitsap

Is there a Russian or North Korean submarine off the coast of California? Unusual Navy aircraft patrol searches spark fears

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Seems more like an exercise, the fact that the Canadians are there with the CP-140; it's not like the US Navy needs the Canadian plane to bolster them, so I'd say training, plus that's not where they'd shoot from , they'd be well north, hanging around the arctic bastion, coming out from under the ice, other side of Alaska.

No mans land is not east-west, for nuclear, you have to look to the north. Russian counterforce is going to be targeting the Great Plains, and they don't have to risk coming down that far south, to pull it off inside the launch on warning window. If they're going to try to sneak up on you, they're not likely to come right through the US Navy's front yard, off San Diego naval base.

As for the NK's, I don't think that they really have a working SLBM system, they haven't even got their land based system to work right, and submarine launched is way harder. They might be able to launch a missile from a submarine under test conditions, for propaganda purposes, but that's still a long way from having an operational SSBN.

I would have some doubts that an NK submarine could even make it accross the Pacific without breaking down, they hang pretty close to home, for a reason, they have trouble making it as far as South Korea sometimes.
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Post by de officiis » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:50 pm

U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger
The U.S. is prepared to launch a preemptive strike with conventional weapons against North Korea should officials become convinced that North Korea is about to follow through with a nuclear weapons test, multiple senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

North Korea has warned that a "big event" is near, and U.S. officials say signs point to a nuclear test that could come as early as this weekend.

The intelligence officials told NBC News that the U.S. has positioned two destroyers capable of shooting Tomahawk cruise missiles in the region, one just 300 miles from the North Korean nuclear test site.

American heavy bombers are also positioned in Guam to attack North Korea should it be necessary, and earlier this week, the Pentagon announced that the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier strike group was being diverted to the area.

The U.S. strike could include missiles and bombs, cyber and special operations on the ground.

The danger of such an attack by the U.S. is that it could provoke the volatile and unpredictable North Korean regime to launch its own blistering attack on its southern neighbor.

"The leadership in North Korea has shown absolutely no sign or interest in diplomacy or dialogue with any of the countries involved in this issue," Victor Cha, the Korea Chair at the Center for Strategic and International Studies told NBC News Thursday.

On Wednesday, North Korea said it would "hit the U.S. first" with a nuclear weapon should there be any signs of U.S. strikes.

On Thursday, North Korea warned of a "merciless retaliatory strike" should the U.S. take any action.

"By relentlessly bringing in a number of strategic nuclear assets to the Korean peninsula, the U.S. is gravely threatening the peace and safety and driving the situation to the brink of a nuclear war," said North Korea's statement.

North Korea is not believed to have a deliverable long-range nuclear weapon, according to U.S. experts, nor does it yet possess an intercontinental missile.

South Korea's top diplomat said today that the U.S. would consult with Seoul before taking any serious measures. "U.S. officials, mindful of such concerns here, repeatedly reaffirmed that (the U.S.) will closely discuss with South Korea its North Korea-related measures," Foreign Minister Yun Byung-se told a special parliamentary meeting. "In fact, the U.S. is working to reassure us that it will not, just in case that we might hold such concerns."

"Two things are coming together this weekend," said retired Adm. James Stavridis, former commander of NATO and an NBC analyst. "One is the distinct possibility of a sixth North Korean nuclear weapons detonation and the other is an American carrier strike group, a great deal of firepower headed right at the Korean Peninsula."

The U.S. is aware that simply preparing an attack, even if it will only be launched if there is an "imminent" North Korean action, increases the danger of provoking a large conflict, multiple sources told NBC News.

"It's high stakes," a senior intelligence official directly involved in the planning told NBC News. "We are trying to communicate our level of concern and the existence of many military options to dissuade the North first."

"It's a feat that we've never achieved before but there is a new sense of resolve here," the official said, referring to the White House.
Senator Ryan, you were talking the other day about consulting Congress about going to war in Syria. How about, um, potential armed conflict with China?
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Post by TheReal_ND » Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:12 pm

If

May

It doesn't mean anything but the passage I found illuminating was

"It's a feat that we've never achieved before but there is a new sense of resolve here," the official said, referring to the White House

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Post by The Conservative » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:38 am

de officiis wrote:
TheReal_ND wrote:https://www.rt.com/news/384595-china-korea-us-action/

Ok. Scratch all that China cooperation speculation...
"Military force cannot resolve the issue,” Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters in Beijing. “Amid challenge there is opportunity. Amid tensions we will also find a kind of opportunity to return to talks.”

I find myself in agreement...
That worked so well with Nazi Germany...
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Post by ssu » Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:38 am

I wonder what is so alarming here:

North Korea has made several nuclear tests. And a lot of missile tests.

The US reaction has been to say they were little, were a failure or could have been made by conventional bombs.

I will be truly surprised if we end up in an open conflict.

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Post by TheReal_ND » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:04 am

The intercontinental ballistics are getting better. I don't think we intend to let them progress so far.

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Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:06 am

ssu wrote:I wonder what is so alarming here:

North Korea has made several nuclear tests. And a lot of missile tests.

The US reaction has been to say they were little, were a failure or could have been made by conventional bombs.

I will be truly surprised if we end up in an open conflict.

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That's what concerns people. The scenario explored in that book.

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Post by skankhunt42 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:19 am

I never read the book but how realistic is it that North Korea could pull off EMP blasts over the United States?
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:21 am

skankhunt42 wrote:I never read the book but how realistic is it that North Korea could pull off EMP blasts over the United States?

Can they launch a missile into suborbit? If the answer is yes, then they can do it.