How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by C-Mag » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:51 pm

A brief history of Government Health Care in the US from the Great Society to 2001................. informative.
http://www.cchfreedom.org/cchf.php/171
The proliferation of managed-care organizations (MCOs) in general, and HMOs in particular, resulted from the 1965 enactment of Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for the poor. Literally overnight, on July 1, 1966, millions of Americans lost all financial responsibility for their health-care decisions.
 
Offering "free care" led to predictable results. Because Congress placed no restrictions on benefits and removed all sense of cost-consciousness, health-care use and medical costs skyrocketed. Congressional testimony reveals that between 1965 and 1971, physician fees increased 7 percent and hospital charges jumped 13 percent, while the Consumer Price Index rose only 5.3 percent. The nation's health-care bill, which was only $39 billion in 1965, increased to $75 billion in 1971.1 Patients had found the fount of unlimited care, and doctors and hospitals had discovered a pot of gold.
 
This stampede to the doctor's office, through the U.S. Treasury, sent Congress into a panic. It had unlocked the health-care appetite of millions, and the results were disastrous. While fiscal prudence demanded a hasty retreat, Congress opted instead for deception.
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by jbird4049 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:20 pm

C-Mag wrote:A brief history of Government Health Care in the US from the Great Society to 2001................. informative.
http://www.cchfreedom.org/cchf.php/171
The proliferation of managed-care organizations (MCOs) in general, and HMOs in particular, resulted from the 1965 enactment of Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for the poor. Literally overnight, on July 1, 1966, millions of Americans lost all financial responsibility for their health-care decisions.
 
Offering "free care" led to predictable results. Because Congress placed no restrictions on benefits and removed all sense of cost-consciousness, health-care use and medical costs skyrocketed. Congressional testimony reveals that between 1965 and 1971, physician fees increased 7 percent and hospital charges jumped 13 percent, while the Consumer Price Index rose only 5.3 percent. The nation's health-care bill, which was only $39 billion in 1965, increased to $75 billion in 1971.1 Patients had found the fount of unlimited care, and doctors and hospitals had discovered a pot of gold.
 
This stampede to the doctor's office, through the U.S. Treasury, sent Congress into a panic. It had unlocked the health-care appetite of millions, and the results were disastrous. While fiscal prudence demanded a hasty retreat, Congress opted instead for deception.
Perhaps. of course, speaking from experience, when one goes from no dental insurance to having dental insurance, your poor teeth finally gets the backlog of care they need. :-)
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by C-Mag » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:24 pm

jbird4049 wrote:
C-Mag wrote:A brief history of Government Health Care in the US from the Great Society to 2001................. informative.
http://www.cchfreedom.org/cchf.php/171
The proliferation of managed-care organizations (MCOs) in general, and HMOs in particular, resulted from the 1965 enactment of Medicare for the elderly and Medicaid for the poor. Literally overnight, on July 1, 1966, millions of Americans lost all financial responsibility for their health-care decisions.
 
Offering "free care" led to predictable results. Because Congress placed no restrictions on benefits and removed all sense of cost-consciousness, health-care use and medical costs skyrocketed. Congressional testimony reveals that between 1965 and 1971, physician fees increased 7 percent and hospital charges jumped 13 percent, while the Consumer Price Index rose only 5.3 percent. The nation's health-care bill, which was only $39 billion in 1965, increased to $75 billion in 1971.1 Patients had found the fount of unlimited care, and doctors and hospitals had discovered a pot of gold.
 
This stampede to the doctor's office, through the U.S. Treasury, sent Congress into a panic. It had unlocked the health-care appetite of millions, and the results were disastrous. While fiscal prudence demanded a hasty retreat, Congress opted instead for deception.
Perhaps. of course, speaking from experience, when one goes from no dental insurance to having dental insurance, your poor teeth finally gets the backlog of care they need. :-)

I get that. I wasn't looking to focus any arguments, just present a brief history of the Gov Healthcare involvement as we go forward.
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by jbird4049 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:32 pm

C-Mag wrote:
jbird4049 wrote:
C-Mag wrote:A brief history of Government Health Care in the US from the Great Society to 2001................. informative.
http://www.cchfreedom.org/cchf.php/171
Perhaps. of course, speaking from experience, when one goes from no dental insurance to having dental insurance, your poor teeth finally gets the backlog of care they need. :-)

I get that. I wasn't looking to focus any arguments, just present a brief history of the Gov Healthcare involvement as we go forward.
No worries, I was preemptively pushing back on the irresponsible spending meme. People without health insurance tend to be sicker, and when they do get insurance tend to have a lot of expensive problems.
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by Fife » Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:57 am

I should have probably posted this here in the first place. Any rational explanations regarding this story?
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StCapps wrote:If he does, that is epic levels of dumb, early indications aren't great.

Yep.

I am sincerely asking everyone to consider the fact that Ezekiel Emanuel is inside the WH. Not inside Paul Ryan's pussy, but the freaking WH.

Seriously, WTF is going on here?

Ezekiel Emanuel, an ACA architect, is now advising Trump as GOP works to level the law

WTF

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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:45 am

It's almost as if this is the same plan, with some tweaks to fuck poor people harder... :think:
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by TheReal_ND » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:50 am

"Obviously, [Emanuel] and the president have some differing views on the best way to make health care affordable and accessible," Spicer told reporters afterwards. "But the president also strongly believes that the health and well-being of the American people shouldn't always be a partisan issue," he said, noting that Trump also has talked about drug prices with Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland.

In an interview on Sunday, Emanuel recalled how during the ACA's drafting, Democrats held ongoing discussions with shifting groups of Republican lawmakers, even though no GOP members of the House or Senate ultimately supported the legislation.
I mean which end of the aspergers spectrum to you want to attack this angle from? The relatively benign or the full blown autistic?

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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by Dand » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:43 am

Thomas Massie of KY tweeted that he's changed his vote:
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:popcorn:

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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:09 am

Dand wrote:Thomas Massie of KY tweeted that he's changed his vote:
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Changed it from "no" to "hell no", according to Breitbart :lol:

This thing is dead. Just wondering whether it hurts Ryan or Trump more...

EDIT: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/p ... .html?_r=0

Looks like they're hanging Trump out to dry on his own...
House Republican leaders called off a meeting with all members of their party earlier Thursday at the Capitol, placing their faith in a House Freedom Caucus negotiating session at the White House with President Trump. If the president and the conservatives can reach an agreement, a vote on the House floor, still scheduled for Thursday, can move forward.
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Re: How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

Post by Dand » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:40 am

Trump can't just get away with this weak healthcare shit. Every Republican in the government has a mandate to repeal Obamacare, especially Trump himself.