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Re: Fake News

Post by adwinistrator » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:48 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:Again, has nothing to do with Flynn's critique of the CIA & Co
You agree with his overall critique, and that's fine. I'm not saying the CIA doesn't deserve a ton of blame about these things. My only point was that his argument that the DIA had it right doesn't prove much, because if the DIA had been in charge of the NIE, the pressure would have been on them from inside the Pentagon, and I think they would have bucked to Cheney and Rumsfeld easier than the CIA did.
Smitty-48 wrote:Flynn could not influence the likes of Cheney and Rumsfeld, until now that Trump has empowered him that is; well played, Donald Trump.
I'm confused... Of course Flynn couldn't influence Cheney or Rumsfeld. My point was that Cheney and Rumsfeld would have had an easier time influencing the DIA at the time, if they had needed to.

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Re: Fake News

Post by Smitty-48 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:51 pm

I don't find your points to be of any relevance to the issue, seems like you're just trying to throw up static at this point, without actually making any relevant points; more like peddling Red Herring fallacies actually.
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Re: Fake News

Post by kybkh » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:53 pm

Again, why would we not trust These people??


For the first time, the public can now read the hastily drafted CIA document [pdf below] that led Congress to pass a joint resolution authorizing the use of military force in Iraq, a costly war launched March 20, 2003 that was predicated on "disarming" Iraq of its (non-existent) WMD, overthrowing Saddam Hussein, and "freeing" the Iraqi people.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-cia-j ... q-invasion
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Re: Fake News

Post by kybkh » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:59 pm

You aren't even trying to answer our questionsz

What are you the fucking IRS? Prove you damn case on a forum of peers. This ineuendo bull shit is useless and not one bit convincing.

How does intel go from speculative to "more definitive"??

It is FACTUALLY known to happen before...


A report issued by the government funded think-tank RAND Corporation last December titled "Blinders, Blunders and Wars" said the NIE "contained several qualifiers that were dropped…. As the draft NIE went up the intelligence chain of command, the conclusions were treated increasingly definitively."

So when intel goes "up the chain of command" it goes from the hands of true analysts to the desks of appointed directors.
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Re: Fake News

Post by adwinistrator » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:02 pm

kybkh wrote:
adwinistrator wrote:
kybkh wrote:So you are confirming the CIA is being bias because that is where this attack on Trump is coming from??
From what I can tell, the majority is coming from the CIA, but I'm guessing some of the other agencies involved in the joint task force are involved as well (DNI, NSA, FBI, DoJ, US Treasury)
Involved in what?

If we only knew who's idea it was to include the dossier...
I took "this attack on Trump" to mean all the unnamed intelligence sources that are talking to the media.
Smitty-48 wrote:All of which are making themselves political proxies for the Democrats and Cucks and their hysterical campaign to try to impune the elected President before he even has a chance to take office, rendering all their conclusions based on their all phony baloney ginned up "reports" suspect, which makes General Flynn, who is not subject to those agencies, knows all their tricks, and where all the bodies are buried, the perfect protege for President Trump.
Even in the IC, there are political forces at will. Giuliani boasting about the Huma emails before Comey sent his letter, CIA directors endorsing Clinton during the election.

I don't think we have any way of knowing the motivations for each and every action being taken at this point in time, I can obviously see it just being a case of politics and smears.

I can also see it being the case that the IC got solid evidence of criminal activity on Trump's campaign team, activity that helped them win the election, and that there is no mechanism in our judicial system to deal with this between election day and inauguration. If Obama's DoJ filed charges, even with solid evidence of criminal wrong doing, there would be riots in the streets and our electoral systems would be irreparably harmed. So they decide to wait for the next administration, but the folks who have seen the evidence are convinced this will be swept under the rug by the new President, and that the Congress will be unwilling to act by bringing articles of impeachment, so what is there left that a patriotic American can do?

I'm not sure what the actual situation is though. This is a completely new situation in America, to have a President elected like Trump, to have the claims of foreign espionage impacting the election, to have the IC pushing back this hard at the last minute.

There's nothing I can think of to compare this to, where we know some of the facts that caused the events in the aftermath...

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Re: Fake News

Post by kybkh » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:04 pm

Someone made the decision to include the 2 page summary...Who?
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Re: Fake News

Post by adwinistrator » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:04 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:I don't find your points to be of any relevance to the issue, seems like you're just trying to throw up static at this point, without actually making any relevant points; more like peddling Red Herring fallacies actually.
I thought you were making a point that I was disagreeing with. I agree that it's irrelevant, so no worries.

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Re: Fake News

Post by adwinistrator » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:05 pm

kybkh wrote:Someone made the decision to include the 2 page summary...Who?
Goes through the Director of National Intelligence nowadays.
Producing and presenting the brief is the responsibility of the Director of National Intelligence, whose office is tasked with fusing intelligence from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the National Security Agency (NSA), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and other members of the U.S. Intelligence Community.

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Re: Fake News

Post by Okeefenokee » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:20 pm

:lol:

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Re: Fake News

Post by TheReal_ND » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:26 pm

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Jesus Christ dude.