So Mass is attempting to protect Trans people’s right to use their assumed gender’s bathroom.

[The Conservative]

It would be best if gay kids could be safe anywhere in their schools, but ask the average high school kid who the kids most likely to be beat up are.

I have kids in high school. The openly gay kids in their class are being voted prom and homecoming king and queen. They are not being beat up. Do you have kids in HS?

Until a couple of years ago. I asked them who got bullied the most and they said the gay boys.

So in other words you are making straw man arguments.

[Fife]

I have a modest proposal: Anytime someone misuses or abuses "strawman fallacy" they will receive initially mild electrical shocks, with increasing voltage for each subsequent offense.

Just my two cents towards civil and literate debate. :goteam: :drunk:

[The Conservative]

I have a modest proposal: Anytime someone misuses or abuses "strawman fallacy" they will receive initially mild electrical shocks, with increasing voltage for each subsequent offense.

Just my two cents towards civil and literate debate. :goteam: :drunk:

So amuse me, until a few years ago gay boys were abused. Now they aren’t how is having gays protected a good thing?

[Speaker to Animals]

Gays weren't abused. God damn it, don't play into her stupid narrative.

Gays weren't even abused when Gen X were kids. We made fun of them, but everybody got made fun of. When this chick talks about making the school "safe" for gays, she means that they be made safe from people coming to the rational conclusion that you ought not live that lifestyle for moral and health reasons. First she wants it "safe" from people ever daring to say the truth about that. Then she wants it "safe" from people even being allowed to think it.

Meanwhile her little buddies are physically attacking people and threatening lives to that same end. Those Antifa faggots that attacked Tucker Carlson's wife were mostly homosexuals. They don't seem "abused" to me. They seem like the abusers..

People just attacked a man's home and threatened the life of his wife for the very same objective milspecs declared in this thread. The people doing the attacking were the people she thinks need to be protected. Ponder that shit.

[The Conservative]

Gays weren't abused. God damn it, don't play into her stupid narrative.

Gays weren't even abused when Gen X were kids. We made fun of them, but everybody got made fun of. When this chick talks about making the school "safe" for gays, she means that they be made safe from people coming to the rational conclusion that you ought not live that lifestyle for moral and health reasons. First she wants it "safe" from people ever daring to say the truth about that. Then she wants it "safe" from people even being allowed to think it.

Meanwhile her little buddies are physically attacking people and threatening lives to that same end. Those Antifa faggots that attacked Tucker Carlson's wife were mostly homosexuals. They don't seem "abused" to me. They seem like the abusers..

People just attacked a man's home and threatened the life of his wife for the very same objective milspecs declared in this thread. The people doing the attacking were the people she thinks need to be protected. Ponder that shit.

That’s sort of my point. Her entire narrative is BS.

[katarn]

It would be best if gay kids could be safe anywhere in their schools, but ask the average high school kid who the kids most likely to be beat up are.

I have kids in high school. The openly gay kids in their class are being voted prom and homecoming king and queen. They are not being beat up. Do you have kids in HS?

Until a couple of years ago. I asked them who got bullied the most and they said the gay boys.

That's still probably the case in some places, but it is not the norm anymore. I have personally never seen any gay person mistreated because of that characteristic, and homosexuality really is a non-issue for even the most conservative kids I know, who take the libertarian approach. I will concede my first high school was run with a very liberal mindset (enough for graduation to be protested by the Westboro folks), but neither high school has been full of city slickers. Any latent high school "homophoba" I've seen does not extend to an mistreatment of gay folks.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

They wanted the teachers that were "allies" to have gay rainbow "ally" stickers on there windows of their classrooms to signal its a safe space! Do you know how divisive and subversive this shit is?

I guess I don't. You will have to explain how some teacher slapping a gay logo on their window divides and subverts you, because it seems like you're pitching a fit over something that really doesn't matter at all.

I mean, going through the board to get approval for your sticker campaign is nerdy AF, but, end of the world it ain't.

Lets say the high school has 100 teachers total. Then maybe 44 of the teachers decided to willingly put the "Ally" sticker on their door. It doesn't simply mean they are the "good guys" or friendly or safe spaces it also means the 56 who didn't are not "Allies" and are doing something wrong. And it's a slippery slope to in fighting and slurs being thrown. It's the definition of divisive. High School should be orderly. There are innumerable identities and teachers don't need to "identify" with any of them except red white and blue. The school mascot is simply that no one should alter it for their group least of which a school sponsored club. Lastly , there should never be a sexual identity club at any school much less a public school.

There it is.

Your 'definition of divisive' seems to be: 'somebody is doing something I don't agree with where I can see it' that slowly slides into some sort of tyranny.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

The left uses these things to divide and subvert. Any teacher not displaying the logo will immediately be labeled as homophobic by the left. This is what they do. Conform or be shamed. It's what they do.

Don't conform. Don't feel ashamed.

Problem solved.

[heydaralon]

I have a modest proposal: Anytime someone misuses or abuses "strawman fallacy" they will receive initially mild electrical shocks, with increasing voltage for each subsequent offense.

Just my two cents towards civil and literate debate. :goteam: :drunk:

This in and of itself is a strawman fallacy though, because I have never seen anyone on this form misuse or abuse the strawman fallacy. Typical libertarian argument, hates America and wants innocent people to die.

[GloryofGreece]

I guess I don't. You will have to explain how some teacher slapping a gay logo on their window divides and subverts you, because it seems like you're pitching a fit over something that really doesn't matter at all.

I mean, going through the board to get approval for your sticker campaign is nerdy AF, but, end of the world it ain't.

Lets say the high school has 100 teachers total. Then maybe 44 of the teachers decided to willingly put the "Ally" sticker on their door. It doesn't simply mean they are the "good guys" or friendly or safe spaces it also means the 56 who didn't are not "Allies" and are doing something wrong. And it's a slippery slope to in fighting and slurs being thrown. It's the definition of divisive. High School should be orderly. There are innumerable identities and teachers don't need to "identify" with any of them except red white and blue. The school mascot is simply that no one should alter it for their group least of which a school sponsored club. Lastly , there should never be a sexual identity club at any school much less a public school.

There it is.

Your 'definition of divisive' seems to be: 'somebody is doing something I don't agree with where I can see it' that slowly slides into some sort of tyranny.

Its divisive b/c some teachers will have the sticker and most will not. The camps will be divided. Hence the word divisive. Its not simply I don't agree with them. Its also the fact that its a sexual identity club. Why the fuck would there be a sexual club in a school? Is there a straight white guy club? Is there a straight male club period? Is there a Hispanic lesbian club? Is there a sex club, and if not should there be? No the answer is no there should not. Liberals and Libertarians hate the idea of One Nation Under God. They hate the idea of nationhood, of something other than the individual. If there is going to be government ran schools then it should be unifying not filthy identity politics. Why have any sponsor of school clubs in the first place with your line of thinking. Why have school papers/"news" / yearbook etc. censored at all? Why not let them all voice their mongoloid bullshit filter free just like Snapchat or WorldStar, am I right?