The Enlightenment - roll it back or forward?

[jediuser598]

Well certainly we have a tribal nature... it's part of our genetic heritage... and it's part of what makes us human.

But we also have a primate heritage, a shrew heritage, and a reptile heritage... all of those aspects of the human are still relevant in our nervous system... we have transcended all of them and yet they are still present and influential...
None of this suggests that we cannot continue to evolve, socially and biologically...

In fact his may all be the unfolding of a spiritual trajectory greater than we can understand... Wilber is definitely spiritual in his theorizing... something the modernists and postmodernists are going to be uncomfortable with.

Now you are using genetics to make the genetic fallacy, which is humorous, but no less fallacious.

In any case, it is my position that the nation state dominated by a single ethnicity and culture is the best scaling of our tribal nature into something larger. For America, that would divide us up into about four different nations, not including the first nations who deserve true sovereignty as well. Maybe create another spot for blacks. Let the cities remain the melting pot and see where this globalist experiment can lead (but not so that it fucks up every other part of humanity).

That's not much of a change from present state...

I'd agree, but let states split. Illinois splits into northern and southern. Washington state splits between eastern and Western.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Now you are using genetics to make the genetic fallacy, which is humorous, but no less fallacious.

In any case, it is my position that the nation state dominated by a single ethnicity and culture is the best scaling of our tribal nature into something larger. For America, that would divide us up into about four different nations, not including the first nations who deserve true sovereignty as well. Maybe create another spot for blacks. Let the cities remain the melting pot and see where this globalist experiment can lead (but not so that it fucks up every other part of humanity).

That's not much of a change from present state...

I'd agree, but let states split. Illinois splits into northern and southern. Washington state splits between eastern and Western.

What would that accomplish? Does anyone on the Oregon-Idaho border care about crossing the state line from one part or another? Just a different tax regime, barely any difference in law.

If you want to be around more white people, then move to a white area.

[jediuser598]

That's not much of a change from present state...

I'd agree, but let states split. Illinois splits into northern and southern. Washington state splits between eastern and Western.

What would that accomplish? Does anyone on the Oregon-Idaho border care about crossing the state line from one part or another? Just a different tax regime, barely any difference in law.

If you want to be around more white people, then move to a white area.

It's about taxes. The red parts of the state aren't being represented. Places like Chicago make all the legislation and the rest of the state has to follow. Chicago culture is a lot different than Southern Illinois culture.

[Speaker to Animals]

That is the problem nationally, though. Our division today has more to do with urban cersus rural than anything else.

John Titor warned us. Maybe he should have just wrote it out as a manifesto rather than a time travel story.

In any case, cities cannot win the coming conflict. Strategically they have everything stacked against them, so this situation cannot long last as it is.

I have also before argued this so-called Enlightenment cancer was in fact a reversal of power with urbanites taking control if our civilization. They took our civilization at it's zenith and squandered it in endless total wars and rising degeneracy.

[DrYouth]

So you want to roll back cities now...

Back to the age of camps surrounded by fields...

Cities have been the hub of growing non-tribal identity, they have been the crucible of wider abilities to identify and discriminate... most of human progress has emerged from the freeing of humans from the labour of survival to be able to contemplate our place in the universe more broadly through arts, contemplative practice and science...

None of this would have transpired without cities.

[doc_loliday]

Bring back liberalism full stop. Individual freedoms and rights and move towards freer markets.

[Speaker to Animals]

So you want to roll back cities now...

Back to the age of camps surrounded by fields...

Cities have been the hub of growing non-tribal identity, they have been the crucible of wider abilities to identify and discriminate... most of human progress has emerged from the freeing of humans from the labour of survival to be able to contemplate our place in the universe more broadly through arts, contemplative practice and science...

None of this would have transpired without cities.

No, dude. Stop Kathy Newmanning the place up.

I am saying "The Enlightenment" (and that's a hell of an Orwellian name for it) and the dominance of cities are connected, if not one and the same.

I am saying we need to separate out the cities to function semi-autonomously. The people who have the urban genetics and want this shitty globalist lifestyle can all migrate to the cities. It doesn't have to infect the entire world.

When you read pozzed leftist posters like SF talking about some "destiny" for a global government, what they are saying is that they want to convert the world into a city. Most western cities are the same thing now. Aside from some minor differences, New York and London are not all that different. These people have created a monoculture and they are attempting to essentially culturally genocide all other ethnicities. They don't think of it that way, but that's exactly what they are about. Globalism is a kind of western urbanism and it's sort of like the Borg in Star Trek -- utterly genocidal and intent on total conversion of outsiders.

If the urban-rural conflict ever comes about, it's not going to end well for the urbanites. I can promise you that. Strategically they are completely fucked in the coming wars.

[DrYouth]

No, dude. Stop Kathy Newmanning the place up.

I am saying "The Enlightenment" (and that's a hell of an Orwellian name for it) and the dominance of cities are connected, if not one and the same.

I am saying we need to separate out the cities to function semi-autonomously. The people who have the urban genetics and want this shitty globalist lifestyle can all migrate to the cities. It doesn't have to infect the entire world.

When you read pozzed leftist posters like SF talking about some "destiny" for a global government, what they are saying is that they want to convert the world into a city. Most western cities are the same thing now. Aside from some minor differences, New York and London are not all that different. These people have created a monoculture and they are attempting to essentially culturally genocide all other ethnicities. They don't think of it that way, but that's exactly what they are about. Globalism is a kind of western urbanism and it's sort of like the Borg in Star Trek -- utterly genocidal and intent on total conversion of outsiders.

If the urban-rural conflict ever comes about, it's not going to end well for the urbanites. I can promise you that. Strategically they are completely fucked in the coming wars.

Well this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Transcend and include does not mean dominate and eradicate.
The rural component of a nation holds an important reservoir of skills and culture that is as important to the whole as the cities with their subspecialized thinkers, artists and craftsmen... this idea of rejecting the rural or local, while spouting a false creed of equality is exactly the critique that Wilber is levelling... and it's devastating.
I think we agree on the critique.

[Speaker to Animals]

No, dude. Stop Kathy Newmanning the place up.

I am saying "The Enlightenment" (and that's a hell of an Orwellian name for it) and the dominance of cities are connected, if not one and the same.

I am saying we need to separate out the cities to function semi-autonomously. The people who have the urban genetics and want this shitty globalist lifestyle can all migrate to the cities. It doesn't have to infect the entire world.

When you read pozzed leftist posters like SF talking about some "destiny" for a global government, what they are saying is that they want to convert the world into a city. Most western cities are the same thing now. Aside from some minor differences, New York and London are not all that different. These people have created a monoculture and they are attempting to essentially culturally genocide all other ethnicities. They don't think of it that way, but that's exactly what they are about. Globalism is a kind of western urbanism and it's sort of like the Borg in Star Trek -- utterly genocidal and intent on total conversion of outsiders.

If the urban-rural conflict ever comes about, it's not going to end well for the urbanites. I can promise you that. Strategically they are completely fucked in the coming wars.

Well this is exactly what I'm talking about.
Transcend and include does not mean dominate and eradicate.
The rural component of a nation holds an important reservoir of skills and culture that is as important to the whole as the cities with their subspecialized thinkers, artists and craftsmen... this idea of rejecting the rural or local, while spouting a false creed of equality is exactly the critique that Wilber is levelling... and it's devastating.
I think we agree on the critique.

We don't want your "transcendance", dude. Seriously. Fuck off with your Orwellian language and speak honestly. You want to convert us all into your globalist groupthink. We don't want that. That amounts to cultural genocide of world cultures so that your globalist monoculture is all that remains.

I want to preserve cultures and races, not eradicated them by creating a global monocultural and monorace. Do you really not see how this shit is genocidal as fuck? Really?

[Speaker to Animals]

The fact is, this "Enlightenment" is nothing more than the degeneracy that accompanied the rise of urbanites and their dominance over our nation states instead of the older, rural aristocrats. You guys fucked everything up. You had three centuries to get it right and all you produced were world wars, social decay, and destruction.

It's over. You have to see this? The best outcome for the cities is to spin them off so that they do not trigger worldwide sectarian wars next in defense of cultures and races from the globalist genocide.