Egyptian Mosque attack

[Speaker to Animals]

The Muslim oppression of Sufis is totally a genocide. Those guys are outlawed in most Muslim nations. Egypt was pretty tolerant until recently, which is why they still had the original Egyptians living there in relative peace (Coptic Christians). Sufis were allowed to build mosques. In most of the Muslim world, Sufism is criminal or seriously repressed.

It's fucked up because Sufis are pretty decent people. It's almost like the majority of Muslims can't stand there being a peaceful sect of Islam. It's really crazy when you think about it. The majority of Muslims are either indifferent to or support the radical jihad stuff. Then the small sect of them who are really interesting and can live in harmony with everybody else are terrorized and oppressed by the majority.

[Martin Hash]

That is a killer debate point. I suggest you use it in the future.

[C-Mag]

Terrorists killed 305 people, including 27 children, at a mosque in North Sinai on Friday, detonating a bomb and gunning down fleeing worshipers in the deadliest such attack in Egypt's modern history, state media and witnesses said.

No group immediately claimed responsibility for the attack on the mosque in Egypt, but since 2013, Egyptian security forces have battled an ISIS affiliate in the mainly desert region, and terrorists have killed hundreds of police and soldiers.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/egypt-m ... ed-1779794

I'm curious as to why this terrorist atrocity has not been brought up when every attack in the West brings massive condemnation of Islam in all it's forms.
Could it be that it inconveniently dispells the myth of all Muslims being radical Islamists.
Sufism is a moderate form of Islam which to my knowledge has taken no part in the terror attacks of recent years but is seen as Infidel by Isis and their Wahabbi sect. The Wahabbi sect are seen as heretics by all other forms of Islam and their killings of fellow Muslims makes them ''no true Muslim bruv''.

The Egyptians are only being attacked because they are over there.

What attacks like this destroy is the stupid idea that they only hate use for meddling in the ME. These people hate. I've made this point many, many times. The Wahhabi violent movement started under the Ottoman Empire in the 19th C, heck you can even make a case it's origins were in the 18th C. The Wahhabi's are the KKK. They are violently attacking anyone fucking with their backward, primitive culture.

They have largely been effective in mainstreaming a lot of these ideas as well. The teachings of Islam and the ME culture are fertile grounds for these ideals.

[BjornP]

If a group attempts to kill all Whites, or all Armenians, or all Suftis, that is my definition of genocide, State actor or not.

So, if a couple of friends down at the bar in downtown Seattle decide they want to kill all white people and attempt to kill some white people, that's genocide?

[Speaker to Animals]

If a group attempts to kill all Whites, or all Armenians, or all Suftis, that is my definition of genocide, State actor or not.

So, if a couple of friends down at the bar in downtown Seattle decide they want to kill all white people and attempt to kill some white people, that's genocide?

Genocide
Attempted genocide
Genocidal


Three different but related concepts. A couple of people at a bar who want to exterminate white people are genocidal. Since there actually exist a lot of such people in America, and they have wielded political power to that end, we have seen an attempted genocide here in America (even by UN definition of the word these policies are genocidal). If they manage to reduce whites to the point where we end up like the next Indians, then it will have been a genocide.


Compare these concepts to:

Murder
Attempted murder
Murderous

[Martin Hash]

If a group attempts to kill all Whites, or all Armenians, or all Suftis, that is my definition of genocide, State actor or not.

So, if a couple of friends down at the bar in downtown Seattle decide they want to kill all white people and attempt to kill some white people, that's genocide?

Does it involve WMDs?

[Montegriffo]

Genocide
Attempted genocide
Genocidal


Three different but related concepts. A couple of people at a bar who want to exterminate white people are genocidal. Since there actually exist a lot of such people in America, and they have wielded political power to that end, we have seen an attempted genocide here in America (even by UN definition of the word these policies are genocidal). If they manage to reduce whites to the point where we end up like the next Indians, then it will have been a genocide.


Compare these concepts to:

Murder
Attempted murder
Murderous

The point where yet another thread was diverted to ''white ethno state''

[BjornP]

If a group attempts to kill all Whites, or all Armenians, or all Suftis, that is my definition of genocide, State actor or not.

So, if a couple of friends down at the bar in downtown Seattle decide they want to kill all white people and attempt to kill some white people, that's genocide?

Genocide
Attempted genocide
Genocidal


Three different but related concepts. A couple of people at a bar who want to exterminate white people are genocidal. Since there actually exist a lot of such people in America, and they have wielded political power to that end, we have seen an attempted genocide here in America (even by UN definition of the word these policies are genocidal). If they manage to reduce whites to the point where we end up like the next Indians, then it will have been a genocide.


Compare these concepts to:

Murder
Attempted murder
Murderous

Quite so, so I hope you also acknowledge a difference in meaning between attempted murder, murder and murderous. Had Martin said that his definition was a definition of genocidal, or attempted genocide, I would not have raised any objections. He didn't, though.