Trump tells Congress that North Korea can kill 90% of the population with

[C-Mag]

Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

TABLE A: Estimates of Casualties
.....................Hiroshima ........Nagasaki

Pre-raid population 255,000 195,000
Dead .................... 66,000 39,000
Injured .................69,000 25,000

Total Casualties...... 135,000 64,000
Casualty Rate...........52%..........32%
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml

Sure a case can be made for much more powerful munitions, more reliance on technology in the 21st C. But I don't think it would push you anywhere near 90%.

I loved Forestchen's book , glad he wrote it. Going with an extreme number to wake people up is not a bad thing.

[Smitty-48]

Going with an extreme number to wake people up is not a bad thing.

Except when those numbers are being employed by the MIC to justify flushing tens of billions down the rabbit hole that is the Missile Defense Agency and associated GMD in Fairbanks Alaska, which wouldn't even stop an EMP, but would continue to be a nice little profit centre for Wall Street via corporate welfare to Boeing Defense Space & Security division.

[Speaker to Animals]

Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

TABLE A: Estimates of Casualties
.....................Hiroshima ........Nagasaki

Pre-raid population 255,000 195,000
Dead .................... 66,000 39,000
Injured .................69,000 25,000

Total Casualties...... 135,000 64,000
Casualty Rate...........52%..........32%
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml

Sure a case can be made for much more powerful munitions, more reliance on technology in the 21st C. But I don't think it would push you anywhere near 90%.

I loved Forestchen's book , glad he wrote it. Going with an extreme number to wake people up is not a bad thing.

Your comparison is completely ridiculous. The fatalities in a CONUS-wide EMP attack would not happen directly from the bomb. Probably nobody would die from the bomb(s) themselves. The question is how long can most of us last without power and food..

The answer depends upon the extent of the attack and whether foreign nations will be able to send aid and troops.

[Smitty-48]

Except the evidence, based on the only actual EMP event in the history of the USA, Operation Starfish Prime, was that the EMP effect was not comprehensive in terms of impacting the entire CONUS, the EMP effect from the ionosphere was intermittent, even though widespread, it was not felt everywhere, not even close, the entire CONUS is not proven to be lights out from an EMP, quite the opposite.

1.45 megaton bomb detonated in the ionosphere, specifically to cause an EMP effect, and the effect was actually "meh", even in the digital age, most of the digital network wouldn't even notice Starfish Prime, the effect would be here and there, not everywhere.

[C-Mag]

Going with an extreme number to wake people up is not a bad thing.

Except when those numbers are being employed by the MIC to justify flushing tens of billions down the rabbit hole that is the Missile Defense Agency and associated GMD in Fairbanks Alaska, which wouldn't even stop an EMP, but would continue to be a nice little profit centre for Wall Street via corporate welfare to Boeing Defense Space & Security division.

Sounds like the MIC, using a work of fiction as fact.

[TheReal_ND]

Going with an extreme number to wake people up is not a bad thing.

Except when those numbers are being employed by the MIC to justify flushing tens of billions down the rabbit hole that is the Missile Defense Agency and associated GMD in Fairbanks Alaska, which wouldn't even stop an EMP, but would continue to be a nice little profit centre for Wall Street via corporate welfare to Boeing Defense Space & Security division.

I thought the idea that the guy behind the EMP stuff has been trying to raise awareness of was that our infrastructure isn't hardened enough to withstand one of those.

This guy has been on the AM radio pushing this stuff for years btw. Pretty sure he's the same guy that wrote the book OP mentioned, one second after or whatever. It's actually kind of been a long standing bogeyman in certain boomer right wing circuits. That said, I guess it is a genuine concern.

[Speaker to Animals]

Please. MIC has nothing to do with it. The government has spent almost nothing on this other than two (that I know of) investigative committees. They haven't done anything towards hardening the electrical grid or really anything else. This was never about the money. There's not really that much money in it. Just hardening the electrical grid might throw about twenty billion at most into small contractors around the country, hardly anything MIC cares about. They want their techno wiz kid gadgets. They don't care about simple defensive measures for the American people.

Dealing with this shit would entail hardening the electrical grid and probably reinstating the civil defense program. It would take from the defense budget if anything. MIC would try to kill it.

[C-Mag]

Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

TABLE A: Estimates of Casualties
.....................Hiroshima ........Nagasaki

Pre-raid population 255,000 195,000
Dead .................... 66,000 39,000
Injured .................69,000 25,000

Total Casualties...... 135,000 64,000
Casualty Rate...........52%..........32%
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml

Sure a case can be made for much more powerful munitions, more reliance on technology in the 21st C. But I don't think it would push you anywhere near 90%.

I loved Forestchen's book , glad he wrote it. Going with an extreme number to wake people up is not a bad thing.

Your comparison is completely ridiculous. The fatalities in a CONUS-wide EMP attack would not happen directly from the bomb. Probably nobody would die from the bomb(s) themselves. The question is how long can most of us last without power and food..

The answer depends upon the extent of the attack and whether foreign nations will be able to send aid and troops.

I find it highly unlikely that a CONUS wide EMP would result in 90% casualties in our worst locations such as NYC. Humans are fucking resilient. I bet Stalin didn't get a 90% kill rate in the Holodomar.

[Speaker to Animals]

Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

TABLE A: Estimates of Casualties
.....................Hiroshima ........Nagasaki

Pre-raid population 255,000 195,000
Dead .................... 66,000 39,000
Injured .................69,000 25,000

Total Casualties...... 135,000 64,000
Casualty Rate...........52%..........32%
http://www.atomicarchive.com/Docs/MED/med_chp10.shtml

Sure a case can be made for much more powerful munitions, more reliance on technology in the 21st C. But I don't think it would push you anywhere near 90%.

I loved Forestchen's book , glad he wrote it. Going with an extreme number to wake people up is not a bad thing.

Your comparison is completely ridiculous. The fatalities in a CONUS-wide EMP attack would not happen directly from the bomb. Probably nobody would die from the bomb(s) themselves. The question is how long can most of us last without power and food..

The answer depends upon the extent of the attack and whether foreign nations will be able to send aid and troops.

I find it highly unlikely that a CONUS wide EMP would result in 90% casualties in our worst locations such as NYC. Humans are fucking resilient. I bet Stalin didn't get a 90% kill rate in the Holodomar.

It depends how long people go without food, electricity, communications, government, etc. It could easily reach 90% if no help is forthcoming. That's a big if, though. You'd also have to take out most of NATO, probably Russia and China too.

[Smitty-48]

Going with an extreme number to wake people up is not a bad thing.

Except when those numbers are being employed by the MIC to justify flushing tens of billions down the rabbit hole that is the Missile Defense Agency and associated GMD in Fairbanks Alaska, which wouldn't even stop an EMP, but would continue to be a nice little profit centre for Wall Street via corporate welfare to Boeing Defense Space & Security division.

Sounds like the MIC, using a work of fiction as fact.

This is what they do, I'm not telling you anything you don't know, in the 1950's, in order to justify handing a huge a contract to Boeing to build a thousand B-52's, Boeing got the politicians to assert the "Bomber Gap!", the claim was that the Soviets had a super bomber, the Bison bomber, and the "estimate" was that the Soviets had "800!" of them, actual number the Soviets had; 4. And they were junk.

Eisenhower didn't buy the Bomber Gap, he said it was bullshit, but congress kept on fapping hysterically until Boeing got their contract.

Same old same old MIC, same old same old Boeing.

Boeing Space Defense & Security > Missile Defense Agency > GMD Alaska > "ZOMG NORTH KOREA!, EMP GAP!"