Political Definitions Are Changing

[Martin Hash]

In my scenario, with "liberty" in the middle, and Collectivists & Libertarians on the Left & Right, I find it interesting that both extremes suffer under the delusion that people will "do the right thing" when the jackboot is lifted off their necks.

[Speaker to Animals]

Democracies tend to self-destruct. The founders had a good idea in a severely limited republican government where enfranchisement was strictly limited, but we fucked that up pretty fast.

One lesson of history is that democracies are only somewhat stable when the electorate both pays the bills *and* musters out on the Campus Martius in times of war. The further you get from that, the worst things become, and more unstable.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Martin just need to accept that liberty is not the natural human state BC most humans simply lack the intellectual capacity to preserve liberty.

My entire premise is that liberty is a fragile indoor flower, only kept alive through constant care & watering by concerned tenders.

One of your best.

[pineapplemike]

Maybe if you water it with the blood of tyrants it will grow strong?


good thread btw +1

[TheReal_ND]

Martin just need to accept that liberty is not the natural human state BC most humans simply lack the intellectual capacity to preserve liberty.

My entire premise is that liberty is a fragile indoor flower, only kept alive through constant care & watering by concerned tenders.

One of your best.

It's not his it's Dan's.

Care to contribute to this thread, fellow collectivist?

[Martin Hash]

Dan’s???

[TheReal_ND]

Dan Carlin said that about democracy in his podcast about the Münster Rebellion.

"Democracy is like a potted plant. A rare indoor specimen that must be carefully watered etc."

The premise is that it's a social experiment particular to a specific set of circumstances. Of course he manages to ignore the cultural circumstances that gave rise to a more egalitarian society, namely Europeans, as opposed to your favorite "ruthless dictators" that fill up most of our history books concerning the last five thousand years from Near Asia.

[Martin Hash]

Dan Carlin said that about democracy in his podcast about the Münster Rebellion.

"Democracy is like a potted plant. A rare indoor specimen that must be carefully watered etc."

Couldn't find it but I liked Dan's analogies so could be subliminal channeling of something he said.

[Martin Hash]

Now I'm channeling Jordan Peterson, who says political ideology is genetic. There are two types: altruism & conscientiousness. Altruists are Lefties & Conscientious people are Righties. (Of course, I boiled it down Hash-like.)

[Smitty-48]

Democracy and liberty are not the same thing tho, I would submit, the greatest threat to liberty, is in fact democracy.