California is On Fire, where is your god now Atheists?

[C-Mag]

This is what happens when you don't allow controlled burns to occur. We can blame the arsonists all we want, and they deserve some of the blame, but this was allowed to get out of control because of the laws CA has on the books. They don't do control burns as much as they should, so in turn CA is a tinderbox waiting to happen, as proof of this topic.

^^ This is correct.

It was inevitable. You can't hold Nature back forever, it just pisses her off.

You guys are placing the blame in the wrong place.

Those laws are like that because we've been assaulted for 40 years by radical environmentalists. Those are the fuckers that demanded and protested all maintenance of our forests stop, Greenies stopped healthy thinning of forests, Greenies faked data and used the Endangered Species act to shut down good Conservation, Environmentalists used Eco-Terrorists to destroy vehicles, equipment and structures to force these actions.

[SuburbanFarmer]

This is what happens when you don't allow controlled burns to occur. We can blame the arsonists all we want, and they deserve some of the blame, but this was allowed to get out of control because of the laws CA has on the books. They don't do control burns as much as they should, so in turn CA is a tinderbox waiting to happen, as proof of this topic.

^^ This is correct.

It was inevitable. You can't hold Nature back forever, it just pisses her off.

You guys are placing the blame in the wrong place.

Those laws are like that because we've been assaulted for 40 years by radical environmentalists. Those are the fuckers that demanded and protested all maintenance of our forests stop, Greenies stopped healthy thinning of forests, Greenies faked data and used the Endangered Species act to shut down good Conservation, Environmentalists used Eco-Terrorists to destroy vehicles, equipment and structures to force these actions.

Be more specific. What kind of 'maintenance' do you think they need?

If anything, this appears to be a case of mismanagement, not a lack of interference.

[The Conservative]

^^ This is correct.

It was inevitable. You can't hold Nature back forever, it just pisses her off.

You guys are placing the blame in the wrong place.

Those laws are like that because we've been assaulted for 40 years by radical environmentalists. Those are the fuckers that demanded and protested all maintenance of our forests stop, Greenies stopped healthy thinning of forests, Greenies faked data and used the Endangered Species act to shut down good Conservation, Environmentalists used Eco-Terrorists to destroy vehicles, equipment and structures to force these actions.

Be more specific. What kind of 'maintenance' do you think they need?

If anything, this appears to be a case of mismanagement, not a lack of interference.

it's both actually, the assinine laws cause the inability to move fast, which causes the burns to slow down due to restrictions. Then it becomes a backlog, and then a fire hazard, then something like this happens and get out of control fast.

[SuburbanFarmer]

You guys are placing the blame in the wrong place.

Those laws are like that because we've been assaulted for 40 years by radical environmentalists. Those are the fuckers that demanded and protested all maintenance of our forests stop, Greenies stopped healthy thinning of forests, Greenies faked data and used the Endangered Species act to shut down good Conservation, Environmentalists used Eco-Terrorists to destroy vehicles, equipment and structures to force these actions.

Be more specific. What kind of 'maintenance' do you think they need?

If anything, this appears to be a case of mismanagement, not a lack of interference.

it's both actually, the assinine laws cause the inability to move fast, which causes the burns to slow down due to restrictions. Then it becomes a backlog, and then a fire hazard, then something like this happens and get out of control fast.

Why would we need to put forth any effort to 'thin' the forest, or created controlled burns?
Just leave the shit alone, and stop it when it gets near a city.

As I've heard it, we spend billions every year to stop fires as soon as they start, no matter the location.

[The Conservative]

Be more specific. What kind of 'maintenance' do you think they need?

If anything, this appears to be a case of mismanagement, not a lack of interference.

it's both actually, the assinine laws cause the inability to move fast, which causes the burns to slow down due to restrictions. Then it becomes a backlog, and then a fire hazard, then something like this happens and get out of control fast.

Why would we need to put forth any effort to 'thin' the forest, or created controlled burns?
Just leave the shit alone, and stop it when it gets near a city.

As I've heard it, we spend billions every year to stop fires as soon as they start, no matter the location.

Do you only cut your hair when you have a meeting, or do you cut it when it gets too long? Same concept. (unless you are bald)

[SuburbanFarmer]

[C-Mag]

Be more specific. What kind of 'maintenance' do you think they need?

If anything, this appears to be a case of mismanagement, not a lack of interference.

it's both actually, the assinine laws cause the inability to move fast, which causes the burns to slow down due to restrictions. Then it becomes a backlog, and then a fire hazard, then something like this happens and get out of control fast.

Why would we need to put forth any effort to 'thin' the forest, or created controlled burns?
Just leave the shit alone, and stop it when it gets near a city.

As I've heard it, we spend billions every year to stop fires as soon as they start, no matter the location.

It will take me a bit to explain. Which I will do when I have more time.
Suffice to say, 'Just Leave Shit Alone' is what got us here. Enviros Suck, they are corrupt hacks, and it's too bad because we need common sense conservation.

[Speaker to Animals]

Be more specific. What kind of 'maintenance' do you think they need?

If anything, this appears to be a case of mismanagement, not a lack of interference.

it's both actually, the assinine laws cause the inability to move fast, which causes the burns to slow down due to restrictions. Then it becomes a backlog, and then a fire hazard, then something like this happens and get out of control fast.

Why would we need to put forth any effort to 'thin' the forest, or created controlled burns?
Just leave the shit alone, and stop it when it gets near a city.

As I've heard it, we spend billions every year to stop fires as soon as they start, no matter the location.

That's actually the policy, genius.

We put fires out right away in inhabited areas. Wildfires, once they break out like that, are usually just contained and allowed to burn out on their own. There literally are fires every year in the national forests around where I live.

It's only a problem when the wind blows the fires into cities (like Gatlinburg).

[Speaker to Animals]

Although the 4,900 firefighters here operate under a unified command, the park service has a very different firefighting philosophy from that of the forest service or the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.

Park officials prefer to herd fires where they want them to go and allow blazes to burn out on their own. It's a science-based approach that serves the same function as off-season forest thinning and controlled burns. But those arguments often fail to stand up to public distaste for trees burning in beloved national parks.

http://www.governing.com/topics/public- ... olicy.html

[The Conservative]

Although the 4,900 firefighters here operate under a unified command, the park service has a very different firefighting philosophy from that of the forest service or the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection.

Park officials prefer to herd fires where they want them to go and allow blazes to burn out on their own. It's a science-based approach that serves the same function as off-season forest thinning and controlled burns. But those arguments often fail to stand up to public distaste for trees burning in beloved national parks.

http://www.governing.com/topics/public- ... olicy.html

And you wonder why this happened...