War With Communists

[Smitty-48]

North Korea has formally renounced Communism, the State Affairs Committee has removed Communism from the constitution and asserted only Juche as the guiding principle now.

Both de facto, and now de jure, the DPRK has flipped to national socialism, national socialists being communists, but not actually Communists; communism for the Master Race only, makes them Nazis by default.

[Martin Hash]

DPRK has flipped to national socialism.

NAtionalsoZIalist? Where have I heard that term before?

[Smitty-48]

Bear in mind, Communism is the aspirational end state, the ends which justify the means, but the Communist utopia is not at hand, until it is, in the meantime, Socialism is the transitional state, but if a national socialist, the Communist utopia is no longer the objective end state, at which point; not Commies anymore, now Nazis, the Nazi objective end state being radically different from the Communist one.

While both ideologies are dictatorial, totalitarian, centrally planned and collectivist, the objective end states are in fact diametrically opposed. To wit, the means are inherently similar, but the ends are not.

[Martin Hash]

The Nazis & the Communists were sworn enemies in Weimar-era Germany even though their ideologies were almost identical, except the Communists, mostly Jews, thought they should be in charge, and Hitler thought he should be in charge.

[Smitty-48]

No, again, their ideologies were diametrically opposed, the means were similar, the objectives were radically different.

If you don't understand this, then you're not actually equipped to fight Communism, it's gonna roll right over you, because the Communists, are not simpletons, they are clever, and you are not, so even if a Communist peril upon you, I don't like your chances at this point, Derp-Derps.

[Martin Hash]

No, again, their ideologies were diametrically opposed, the means were similar, the objectives were radically different.

Collectivists are Collectivists.

If you don't understand this, then you're not actually equipped to fight Communism, it's gonna roll right over you, because the Communists, are not simpletons, they are clever, and you are not, so even if a Communist peril upon you, I don't like your chances at this point, Derp-Derps.

As a matter of fact, I think you're correct. Unless the backlash against Communism begins soon, the momentum will carry it to victory. However, I have heard that among teenagers, it's cool to be Conservative, so if we can just weather the Millennials, we've got some bench.

p.s. Plus the phenomenon that produced Trump & Kid Rock will continue.

[Smitty-48]

Collectivists are Collectivists.

Says the guy who wants 100% estate taxes to redistribute to the masses, bear in mind, Marxism and Communism are not the same thing, Marxism is merely stating the problem, Marxist-Leninism and National Socialism are simply two extremist solutions, but you yourself are just as collectivist as the next Marxist, you're just not very self aware apparently.

You shoot your mouth off about the "1%!" as the scapegoats ceaselessly, but that's actually no different than shouting "Kulaks!". That is exactly what the Bolsheviks did, they went from town and village, picking out the people who were more successful, and pointed them out as being the "Kulaks!", and that is exactly what you do, non stop in fact.

And what is your solution? Oh, seize their property and redistribute it to the masses via centrally planned force? Mmhmm, look in the mirror, Ivan, the collectivist is in fact you, "Peace, Bread, and Land".

[TheReal_ND]

Heheheh internet drama

[Martin Hash]

Collectivists are Collectivists.

Says the guy who wants 100% estate taxes to redistribute to the masses, bear in mind, Marxism and Communism are not the same thing, Marxism is merely stating the problem, Marxist-Leninism and National Socialism are simply two extremist solutions, but you yourself are just as collectivist as the next Marxist, you're just not very self aware apparently.

You shoot your mouth off about the "1%!" as the scapegoats ceaselessly, but that's actually no different than shouting "Kulaks!". That is exactly what the Bolsheviks did, they went from town and village, picking out the people who were more successful, and pointed them out as being the "Kulaks!", and that is exactly what you do, non stop in fact.

And what is your solution? Oh, seize their property and redistribute it to the masses via centrally planned force? Mmhmm, look in the mirror, Ivan, the collectivist is in fact you, "Peace, Bread, and Land".

Blah, blah, blah. (You're the guy I had to learn what "liberty" is.)

BTW: the tactic of The Left is to deny there is such a thing as "liberty," that it's just a synonym for "freedom," hence, a freedom argument covers it. I get out Black's Law Dictionary and quote the relevant parts but Lefties gonna Left.

[Speaker to Animals]

This is a valid point. In point of fact, most major communist regimes switched into national socialism not long after coming to power. Just think of what the term national socialism means. If that doesn't describe China, North Korea, USSR, and Vietnam, then it means nothing.

What seems to differentiate what we want to think of as "national socialist" colloquially is whether the regime is based on Marxism or not. So perhaps the terms are misleading at this point. I'd argue that fascism (as a national socialist concept) is inherently anti-Marxist.