Sweden Capitulated

[Smitty-48]

See, honour is not a question of subjective good or evil, honour is a paradigm in which you can rely on the other party to fullfill obligations which they have undertaken, even if they are ostensibly evil by your principles and you by theirs, thus is how a flag of truce can be effected, even with a sworn enemy, so long as they are honourable.

While you may believe the Waffen-SS to be the servants of evil, the question is rather could you rely on them to respect a flag of truce undertaken? If so, then they are honourable in that case, regardless of your subjective views of their ultimate motivations.

Now, if you violate that flag of truce, under the rubric of "they are the servants of evil, so anything goes", then it is you who are the dishonourable one.

[SuburbanFarmer]

See, honour is not a question of subjective good or evil, honour is a paradigm in which you can rely on the other party to fullfill obligations which they have undertaken, even if they are ostensibly evil by your principles and you by theirs, thus is how a flag of truce can be effected, even with a sworn enemy, so long as they are honourable.

While you may believe the Waffen-SS to be the servants of evil, the question is rather could you rely on them to respect a flag of truce undertaken? If so, then they are honourable in that case, regardless of your subjective views of their ultimate motivations.

Now, if you violate that flag of truce, under the rubric of "they are the servants of evil, so anything goes", then it is you who are the dishonourable one.

Cool. Now can you find a dictionary that uses your definition of "honouuououuuuououuoooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurable"?

Because I believe you've substituted it for "loyal" or "trustworthy".

[PartyOf5]

I am not sure many men understand what honor means any longer.

Honor to white millennial men means caving in to anything a non-white cis male groups says they should cave in to. Honor is feeling guilty about whatever some group says it is you should feel guilty about.

[Smitty-48]

Because I believe you've substituted it for "loyal" or "trustworthy".

No, because while I may be loyal to Her Majesty, that does not bind me to loyalty to any other per se, and while I may be trustworthy, if I have undertaken no obligations to you, I may in fact be hunting you in the trall grass, no quarter, nor mercy, and no warning that I am about gut you like a fish with my fighting knife, so you'd best not trust me in the tall grass, if there is no flag of truce between us.

If at odds in the tall grass, you can trust that I am going to endeavor to stalk and kill you, so if you want loyalty, you'd best fly that flag of truce and parley before I do.

[Fife]

Odd it is!

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[SuburbanFarmer]

Because I believe you've substituted it for "loyal" or "trustworthy".

No, because while I may be loyal to Her Majesty, that does not bind me to loyalty to any other per se, and while I may be trustworthy, if I have undertaken no obligations to you, I may in fact be hunting you in the trall grass, no quarter, nor mercy, and no warning that I am about gut you like a fish with my fighting knife, so you'd best not trust me in the tall grass, if there is no flag of truce between us.

If at odds in the tall grass, you can trust that I am going to endeavor to stalk and kill you, so if you want loyalty, you'd best fly that flag of truce and parley before I do.

You may have a tough time finding a majority of people that see ambushing and gutting fellow citizens as "honorable".

[Speaker to Animals]

First, tell me what you think honor actually means.

Standing for your principles, in the face of opposition.

No, honour is the fullfilment of obligations which you have undertaken, even where they conflict with your principles.

I would add that honor demands one to acknowledge honor where it exists and treat such person's or institutions accordingly.

[nmoore63]

Honor is doing your duty regardless of the benefit to you.

It is not regardless to principle.

The Light Brigade was honorable.
My Lai was not honorable.

[Smitty-48]

I am not sure many men understand what honor means any longer.

Honor to white millennial men means caving in to anything a non-white cis male groups says they should cave in to. Honor is feeling guilty about whatever some group says it is you should feel guilty about.

Not all of them, Millienials are joiners, so it's more a question of what institution they are want to undertake obligations to, so for example, I would rely on a Millenial Force Recon Marine to fulfill his obligations, even if I wouldn't with a hipster faggot.

[Speaker to Animals]

It actually is regardless to principle in that you dishonor yourself by violating your commitment to the code you adopted. It's that you failed to meet your obligation to your code that brings dishonor. If your code is evil, then the moral issues are a separate matter.

Honor does not require you to wrestle with theological issues. You have some code of conduct you must live by and you do it. That's your duty.