identity politics are destroying the democratic party

[Speaker to Animals]

If the right would capture more media and push back via civic nationalism would you still feel the same?

Civic nationalism seemed to only work when we were mostly of European descent. These are the end times of civic nationalism in America as far as I can see. This is how the Austro-Hungarian Empire fell apart.

This obviously isn't working. I don't need people from the very same demographics constantly signaling against white people and bitching about us to then tell me that I should adopt civic nationalism while they continue pushing their identity politics. Fuck that game. A lot of other whites may be brainwashed or gullible enough to keep falling for that, but I won't.

Get real with me and other whites and I think we all could find a realistic compromise.

Yiu capoture more media and they can be mocked for their identity bs, it makes them think about it. They cannot hide anymore.

It's not going to work because literally every other demographic except white men in America are engaged in identity politics.

Again: I will give up identity politics when everybody else does. I think that sounds fair. Don't you?

The reason I am skeptical of you guys is that I NEVER hear you criticizing every other demographic for engaging in identity politics. It's only when white men do it that suddenly "Nazi" gets thrown around. It truly revolts me. I really hate hypocrisy. Just be open and honest with me. I don't blame you for looking out for your own self-interests and the interests of your group. Don't try to shame me for doing the same.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Civic nationalism seemed to only work when we were mostly of European descent. These are the end times of civic nationalism in America as far as I can see. This is how the Austro-Hungarian Empire fell apart.

This obviously isn't working. I don't need people from the very same demographics constantly signaling against white people and bitching about us to then tell me that I should adopt civic nationalism while they continue pushing their identity politics. Fuck that game. A lot of other whites may be brainwashed or gullible enough to keep falling for that, but I won't.

Get real with me and other whites and I think we all could find a realistic compromise.

Yiu capoture more media and they can be mocked for their identity bs, it makes them think about it. They cannot hide anymore.

It's not going to work because literally every other demographic except white men in America are engaged in identity politics.

Again: I will give up identity politics when everybody else does. I think that sounds fair. Don't you?

The reason I am skeptical of you guys is that I NEVER hear you criticizing every other demographic for engaging in identity politics. It's only when white men do it that suddenly "Nazi" gets thrown around. It truly revolts me. I really hate hypocrisy. Just be open and honest with me. I don't blame you for looking out for your own self-interests and the interests of your group. Don't try to shame me for doing the same.

What indicates that i am unwilling to criticize non white identity politcs?

[Speaker to Animals]

Yiu capoture more media and they can be mocked for their identity bs, it makes them think about it. They cannot hide anymore.

It's not going to work because literally every other demographic except white men in America are engaged in identity politics.

Again: I will give up identity politics when everybody else does. I think that sounds fair. Don't you?

The reason I am skeptical of you guys is that I NEVER hear you criticizing every other demographic for engaging in identity politics. It's only when white men do it that suddenly "Nazi" gets thrown around. It truly revolts me. I really hate hypocrisy. Just be open and honest with me. I don't blame you for looking out for your own self-interests and the interests of your group. Don't try to shame me for doing the same.

What indicates that i am unwilling to criticize non white identity politcs?

Like I said, it's time to get real and have an open and honest discussion. You are not doing that here. You only oppose whites looking out for their self-interests as a collective group. You don't really care about the others (for now).

I am willing to give up identity politics when everybody else is willing to give it up. I think that's pretty simple. Identity politics is like a WMD. Demanding that my people give up their WMDs while others are not only retaining them but using them against us is not acceptable.

[Ex-California]

Civic nationalism seemed to only work when we were mostly of European descent. These are the end times of civic nationalism in America as far as I can see. This is how the Austro-Hungarian Empire fell apart.

This obviously isn't working. I don't need people from the very same demographics constantly signaling against white people and bitching about us to then tell me that I should adopt civic nationalism while they continue pushing their identity politics. Fuck that game. A lot of other whites may be brainwashed or gullible enough to keep falling for that, but I won't.

Get real with me and other whites and I think we all could find a realistic compromise.

Yiu capoture more media and they can be mocked for their identity bs, it makes them think about it. They cannot hide anymore.

It's not going to work because literally every other demographic except white men in America are engaged in identity politics.

Again: I will give up identity politics when everybody else does. I think that sounds fair. Don't you?

The reason I am skeptical of you guys is that I NEVER hear you criticizing every other demographic for engaging in identity politics. It's only when white men do it that suddenly "Nazi" gets thrown around. It truly revolts me. I really hate hypocrisy. Just be open and honest with me. I don't blame you for looking out for your own self-interests and the interests of your group. Don't try to shame me for doing the same.

I adopted identity politics only as a defensive move because it is always used against me and my son especially, my wife and daughter to a lesser extent. As soon as I did that, the inevitable "racist," "fascist," and "Nazi" insults were immediately thrown my way. The people who are less reactive (but just as dumb) then start throwing around the privilege arguments.

I hate identity politics, but the only way you can protect yourself at this point is by adopting them.

I would love for them to go in the trash bin of history, but as long as a side like the Left has zero arguments to support their positions, they will resort to identity politics. Even when I was a Leftist, I'd hear Right arguments and think in the back of my head that my opponent has a point. When I finally gave in I now realize that there is not a single argument that the Left makes that can't be refuted by a better argument from those who believe in Liberty.

[Speaker to Animals]

Yiu capoture more media and they can be mocked for their identity bs, it makes them think about it. They cannot hide anymore.

It's not going to work because literally every other demographic except white men in America are engaged in identity politics.

Again: I will give up identity politics when everybody else does. I think that sounds fair. Don't you?

The reason I am skeptical of you guys is that I NEVER hear you criticizing every other demographic for engaging in identity politics. It's only when white men do it that suddenly "Nazi" gets thrown around. It truly revolts me. I really hate hypocrisy. Just be open and honest with me. I don't blame you for looking out for your own self-interests and the interests of your group. Don't try to shame me for doing the same.

I adopted identity politics only as a defensive move because it is always used against me and my son especially, my wife and daughter to a lesser extent. As soon as I did that, the inevitable "racist," "fascist," and "Nazi" insults were immediately thrown my way. The people who are less reactive (but just as dumb) then start throwing around the privilege arguments.

I hate identity politics, but the only way you can protect yourself at this point is by adopting them.

I would love for them to go in the trash bin of history, but as long as a side like the Left has zero arguments to support their positions, they will resort to identity politics. Even when I was a Leftist, I'd hear Right arguments and think in the back of my head that my opponent has a point. When I finally gave in I now realize that there is not a single argument that the Left makes that can't be refuted by a better argument from those who believe in Liberty.

Identity politics is inevitable in a multi-racial society. As soon as our government decided it would be a great idea to open the borders to so many non-Europeans, identity politics was established as our future system no matter what any of us want or approve of.

Shit is going to get really bad for whites in the near future if we don't start collectively looking out for our own interests no differently than the other races do.

The best way to approach this is to recognize that we are different people and negotiate with each other openly and honestly. We can come to compromise and settlement over a lot of these issues, but people need to drop this game of identity politics for us but not for you.

[nmoore63]

Identity politics concerning immutable traits is for those without enough agency in their own lives.

Mostly suited for the down trodden or for celebrities who don't feel they have earned what they have.

[Hwen Hoshino]

It's not going to work because literally every other demographic except white men in America are engaged in identity politics.

Again: I will give up identity politics when everybody else does. I think that sounds fair. Don't you?

The reason I am skeptical of you guys is that I NEVER hear you criticizing every other demographic for engaging in identity politics. It's only when white men do it that suddenly "Nazi" gets thrown around. It truly revolts me. I really hate hypocrisy. Just be open and honest with me. I don't blame you for looking out for your own self-interests and the interests of your group. Don't try to shame me for doing the same.

What indicates that i am unwilling to criticize non white identity politcs?

Like I said, it's time to get real and have an open and honest discussion. You are not doing that here. You only oppose whites looking out for their self-interests as a collective group. You don't really care about the others (for now).

I am willing to give up identity politics when everybody else is willing to give it up. I think that's pretty simple. Identity politics is like a WMD. Demanding that my people give up their WMDs while others are not only retaining them but using them against us is not acceptable.

I think black history month should end, the government should radically reduce ethnic pandering and refocus on prmoting the Constitution. I don't like ethnicity and color based politics within the US.

[apeman]

The way to stop discriminating based on race is to stop discriminating based on race.

However, we crossed the Rubicon longggg ago, among thousands of other things, we now laws such as have disparate impact.

Disparate impact in United States labor law refers to practices in employment, housing, and other areas that adversely affect one group of people of a protected characteristic more than another, even though rules applied by employers or landlords are formally neutral. Although the protected classes vary by statute, most federal civil rights laws protect based on race, color, religion, national origin, and sex as protected traits, and some laws include disability status and other traits as well.

Think about that.

Neutral laws that have a disparate impact on protected groups are illegal. This is not equality of opportunity (necessary and right), this is equality of outcome (Marxism, etc). IMO there is no doubt that this violates the Constitution, but it is never going away, in fact, we are just gonna move further and further in that direction, I guarantee it.

It means little to state online anonymously, but I really am not the least bit racist or class-ist. However, due to the increasing popularity and acceptability of pitting each group against the other, with white men working hard to make $$$ always on the villain axis, I saved up to move to a town that is 99% rich white people. I have always treated every person I meet with dignity, and I refuse to be viewed as a villain in my own community.

Sad.

[Speaker to Animals]

Identity politics concerning immutable traits is for those without enough agency in their own lives.

Mostly suited for the down trodden or for celebrities who don't feel they have earned what they have.

That's why we keep losing ground right there. That kind of mentality. Does identity politics suck? Yep. So does a gun fight, but when people are shooting at you, you don't get opt out of the fucking thing.

[Hwen Hoshino]

Identity politics concerning immutable traits is for those without enough agency in their own lives.

Mostly suited for the down trodden or for celebrities who don't feel they have earned what they have.

That's why we keep losing ground right there. That kind of mentality. Does identity politics suck? Yep. So does a gun fight, but when people are shooting at you, you don't get opt out of the fucking thing.

So what do you want to shoot back with? The US Constitution and it's principles sound better than white identity politics.