GloryofGreece wrote:
I find myself agreeing with Thomas Jefferson's view of urbanization, cities, and commerce etc. the more I look into it.
Sound a lot like the thoughts of the german Völkisch movement. We had a lot of that in Sweden as well during the era of Romantic Nationalism.
Echoes of the same thought pattern can be found in Mao and the Khmer Rouge as well. Perhaps it's a cycle of sorts.
Funny how those Communist ideals keep circling around inside right-wing heads, ain't it? Can you have a Communist revolution with people who say they hate Communism?
I don't see it as Communist ideals. It's more of a mythical idea connected to nostalgia. It's part of the "make my country great again" narrative. You find it in the ideals of the Romans as well. The lowest class was the Capite censi, the head count. They owned no land and were counted by the head rather than by their property. The highest ideal in Rome was the pure man working his land. Not the corrupt city dweller.
Every Roman populist rose to fame by promising land reform. To help the oppressed get their lost land back and thereby restoring their value as citizens.
The same trick is used all over the world. In Africa (Hello Mugabe), and all over Latin America. If people just got a piece of land everything will be good again.
An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna
Nie lügen die Menschen so viel wie nach einer Jagd, während eines Krieges oder vor Wahlen. - Otto von Bismarck
Hastur wrote:
Sound a lot like the thoughts of the german Völkisch movement. We had a lot of that in Sweden as well during the era of Romantic Nationalism.
Echoes of the same thought pattern can be found in Mao and the Khmer Rouge as well. Perhaps it's a cycle of sorts.
Funny how those Communist ideals keep circling around inside right-wing heads, ain't it? Can you have a Communist revolution with people who say they hate Communism?
I don't see it as Communist ideals. It's more of a mythical idea connected to nostalgia. It's part of the "make my country great again" narrative. You find it in the ideals of the Romans as well. The lowest class was the Capite censi, the head count. They owned no land and were counted by the head rather than by their property. The highest ideal in Rome was the pure man working his land. Not the corrupt city dweller.
Every Roman populist rose to fame by promising land reform. To help the oppressed get their lost land back and thereby restoring their value as citizens.
The same trick is used all over the world. In Africa (Hello Mugabe), and all over Latin America. If people just got a piece of land everything will be good again.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
Funny how those Communist ideals keep circling around inside right-wing heads, ain't it? Can you have a Communist revolution with people who say they hate Communism?
I don't see it as Communist ideals. It's more of a mythical idea connected to nostalgia. It's part of the "make my country great again" narrative. You find it in the ideals of the Romans as well. The lowest class was the Capite censi, the head count. They owned no land and were counted by the head rather than by their property. The highest ideal in Rome was the pure man working his land. Not the corrupt city dweller.
Every Roman populist rose to fame by promising land reform. To help the oppressed get their lost land back and thereby restoring their value as citizens.
The same trick is used all over the world. In Africa (Hello Mugabe), and all over Latin America. If people just got a piece of land everything will be good again.
Hastur wrote:
I don't see it as Communist ideals. It's more of a mythical idea connected to nostalgia. It's part of the "make my country great again" narrative. You find it in the ideals of the Romans as well. The lowest class was the Capite censi, the head count. They owned no land and were counted by the head rather than by their property. The highest ideal in Rome was the pure man working his land. Not the corrupt city dweller.
Every Roman populist rose to fame by promising land reform. To help the oppressed get their lost land back and thereby restoring their value as citizens.
The same trick is used all over the world. In Africa (Hello Mugabe), and all over Latin America. If people just got a piece of land everything will be good again.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:
The same trick is used all over the world. In Africa (Hello Mugabe), and all over Latin America. If people just got a piece of land everything will be good again.
Solid point. We need a name for that.
Google translate yields it in tasty German: Landversprechenliegen (land promise lie)
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND
California wrote:
Today we're just serfs through debt
If you mean a home loan I disagree, most of us could not plunk cash, and buying property using leverage is the most powerful financial tool available to mere mortals not banksters. The GI bill loan financing is noted as one of the greatest wealth creation tools ever. If you're talking about consumer debt or student loans, sure.
We are only accustomed to dealing with like twenty online personas at a time so when we only have about ten people some people have to be strawmanned in order to advance our same relative go nowhere nonsense positions. -TheReal_ND
I love German. Reminds me of these:
