"Great Recession" of 2007-09

[Hwen Hoshino]

Every, fuck no. Big ones on the other hand...

What big events do you think are part of a conspiracy? Who is in and who is out? How many people are involved? What methods are they using to silence the thousands of people who would have to be in on such a large plan?

What makes you think it's hard to be their peon?

[heydaralon]

Every, fuck no. Big ones on the other hand...

What big events do you think are part of a conspiracy? Who is in and who is out? How many people are involved? What methods are they using to silence the thousands of people who would have to be in on such a large plan?

What makes you think it's hard to be their peon?

You are the one claiming that this secret Illuminati organization runs the world. That is an extraordinary claim, and I am asking you how this group operates, who you think is pulling the strings, who they have direct control over etc.
Think about the shit that has happened last year. Brexit, Trump, Boko Haram, ISIS, etc. are all chaotic events that pitted powerful forces of bankers corporations, politicians, terror groups, activists and populations against each other. 2016 did not follow a script. The smart money said that Brexit would fail, and Trump would lose. The experts said in 2007 that the derivatives were a safe bet. I'm not saying that there isn't fuckery going on, but you are claiming that all these events are part of a grand plan. That is clearly ridiculous. The rich and powerful don't control these outcomes. They'd like to, but they are humans with imperfect reasoning, hubris, and blindspots just like the rest of us.

[Hwen Hoshino]

What big events do you think are part of a conspiracy? Who is in and who is out? How many people are involved? What methods are they using to silence the thousands of people who would have to be in on such a large plan?

What makes you think it's hard to be their peon?

You are the one claiming that this secret Illuminati organization runs the world. That is an extraordinary claim, and I am asking you how this group operates, who you think is pulling the strings, who they have direct control over etc.
Think about the shit that has happened last year. Brexit, Trump, Boko Haram, ISIS, etc. are all chaotic events that pitted powerful forces of bankers corporations, politicians, terror groups, activists and populations against each other. 2016 did not follow a script. The smart money said that Brexit would fail, and Trump would lose. The experts said in 2007 that the derivatives were a safe bet. I'm not saying that there isn't fuckery going on, but you are claiming that all these events are part of a grand plan. That is clearly ridiculous. The rich and powerful don't control these outcomes. They'd like to, but they are humans with imperfect reasoning, hubris, and blindspots just like the rest of us.

They are secretive cabals. I don't call them Illuminati. Nobody is pulling my strings personally. Basically elite university based cabals own the two major parties backed by some rich people. ISIS is fairly irrelevant, Brexit was a very long time coming, something like Trump was very much expected. Only an idiot would had been surprised by Trump. Who was the smart money? If rich and the powerfui don't control the outcomes how come the EU project was maintained despite no populist support? How come we are still living in Mackinder's world? How come we have such a narrow minded media that has o interest in truly exciting elections?

[heydaralon]

They are secretive cabals. I don't call them Illuminati. Nobody is pulling my strings personally. Basically elite university based cabals own the two major parties backed by some rich people. ISIS is fairly irrelevant, Brexit was a very long time coming, something like Trump was very much expected. Only an idiot would had been surprised by Trump. Who was the smart money? If rich and the powerfui don't control the outcomes how come the EU project was maintained despite no populist support? How come we are still living in Mackinder's world? How come we have such a narrow minded media that has o interest in truly exciting elections?

ISIS was not a minor event. In fact, it reinforces my point that the people in power do not have nearly as much control as you think. ISIS completely flipped the neoconservative project on its head and the destruction and anarchy in the middle East right now shows that no one has a good plan. Some bankers made money from the Housing crisis, but they did not intentionally sabotage their own industry and destroy a fifth of the world's wealth. Trump and Brexit destroyed the myth of the globalization consensus. Trump spent far less than Hillary did and still won. There were moneyed interests on his side, but Hillary had far more. Media figures and establishment politicians in both parties turned their noses up and attempted to discredit things he said. Again, I'm not claiming that rich people don't try to get results they want, but they do not have the power to actually control things on the level you are claiming. I think there are probably all sorts of small conspiracies, but there is not a big overarching conspiracy. At bottom, your view on things is actually a kind of religious idea. Basically, people who believe in conspiracy theories assume: a) History is a redemptive process. If we could only stop these evil plans, mankind's lot would be drastically improved. b) Banal events and chance happenings have often have sinister, deeper meanings. This view of the world attempts to create patterns where none exist, and believes that history is a hidden text that is only capable of being deciphered by a small group of people.

Right off the bat, conspiracy theorists take many ideas from monotheism. They have a manichean view where evil corporations, secret cabals, and corrupt politicians represent the forces of darkness, whereas the people being held down by these poorly defined entities represent the good and the light. Chaotic events are simply part of a hidden code, and those who notice them are like prophets. If you really start to deconstruct this, it quickly falls apart. What mechanisms are used to enable these cabals to control the world? How are they able to silence the hundreds of thousands or millions of people who would have to be complicit? How could a cabal control the global economy and rule the world, when the elites of our own country are unable to reach an agreement on something as minor as marijuana policy or transgendered bathrooms? Mankind is far too divided and unpredictable to be ruled by any group.


Things just happen sometimes. Even the best laid plans get lost in the random drift of history. If Franz Ferdinand hadn't stopped at the same restaurant as his assassin, world war 1 might not have happened. If the FBI and the CIA had exchanged intel on the 19 terrorists, 9/11 could have been avoided. If Joe Biden had run, he might have defeated Trump in 2016 etc. Interestingly, there is no way to refute a conspiracy theorist, because if you show them examples of ineptitude, poor planning, and randomness, they will simply invoke another layer of secrecy and claim that the lack of evidence for a conspiracy is proof of an even bigger coverup. Creationists use the same train of thought when carbon dating is brought up. They simply say that carbon dating is even more proof that Earth is 6000 years old and is used by God to test their faith. If you think this way, then no proof, or lack of proof would change your mind.

[ssu]

Right off the bat, conspiracy theorists take many ideas from monotheism. They have a manichean view where evil corporations, secret cabals, and corrupt politicians represent the forces of darkness, whereas the people being held down by these poorly defined entities represent the good and the light. Chaotic events are simply part of a hidden code, and those who notice them are like prophets. If you really start to deconstruct this, it quickly falls apart.

But it's not deconstructed, it's not looked on rationally, so it doesn't fall apart to the believers.

Why would they, who know how things are, start to think like the sheeple? Look for answer in what the Illuminati feeds people? Things like the official lines, reports, news coverage, statistics?

You above define the attitudes extremely well. Yet that above is more of a religion than a logical thinking, because what the conspiracist truly lack, which is quite evident, is the simple fact that things happen sometimes with no actual leadership, no plan behind it. People push their own agendas and the outcome is something nobody anticipated. The other thing that makes it a religious ideology is the sharp distinction with the good and especially with the evil. The global elites aren't just bad in the leadership (or the lack of it), they are diabolical. The conspiracists themselves are the good people, the chosen ones, the one's who stand above the ordinary sheeple.

The conspiracist wants firm and easy answers. There has to be culprit for all the things and they have to be done intentionally and deliberately. If there's an speculative bubble bursting, which turns into an economic recession, somebody has to have planned it. There's a script for it. Hence the people like the leaders truly want to hurt people.

It simply is a cult.