The Fucking Thatcher Thread

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Re: The Fucking Thatcher Thread

Post by DrYouth » Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:46 pm

StCapps wrote:Now is your time to shine, dude who lived through it, enlighten us.....
Monty wrote:Whatever anyone says on any subject you accuse them of fighting the wrong battles with poor arguments so I'll take that with a pinch of salt.

Main argument would be the massive unemployment caused by her destuction of the manufacturing, coal, steel and shipbuilding industries. All the things Krusty is desperate to prop up.

Then there was the selling off of the crown jewels on the cheap to her bankster buddies. Privatisation of all the money making utilities such as gas, water, electricity, telecoms, transport etc. These would all be earning big bucks for the exchequer now if still nationalised.

The lack of consensus government was her greatest weakness in the end. She sacked anyone who disagreed with her, her cabinet had more reshuffles than a Vegas weekend and eventually her ministers became sychophantic yes men too frightened to tell her when she was wrong.

All the best things she did such as taking power from the unions, reducing inflation and retaining the Falkland Islands were early on in her Premiership. By the end there were IRA bombings on the mainland, riots in the streets and massive protests everywhere.
Eventually the party had to stab her in the back or risk the real chance of a vote of no confidence and an election they could lose to a Kinnock lead Labour party ready to go back to early '70s Socialism. This is why I wanted Maggie out but was happy when John Major won the '92 general election keeping Kinnock out of power.

I await your reply with my ''Capps cliche'' bingo card at the ready.
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That was a "tour de force" post.

Honestly a 10 from my judges table over here.

Like I have rarely seen on the MHF.

It's back to you Cappy.

If you can get up off the mat that is.... just nod your hear and make eye contact and we can return you to the ring.
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Re: The Fucking Thatcher Thread

Post by StCapps » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:05 pm

Montegriffo wrote:Whatever anyone says on any subject you accuse them of fighting the wrong battles with poor arguments so I'll take that with a pinch of salt.
Nah that's just my go to when people think their laziest arguments will win the day, instead of bringing their A-game. I only use it when appropriate, just because you get criticized a lot for poorly picking your battles, that doesn't mean I do it whenever I disagree with someone, perhaps you just bring terrible arguments to the table far more often than you realize.
Montegriffo wrote:Main argument would be the massive unemployment caused by her destuction of the manufacturing, coal, steel and shipbuilding industries. All the things Krusty is desperate to prop up.
That happened to rest of the western world too, not seeing how Thatcher should get the blame for this, that was happening long before she got into power, and continued happening long after she left power. If it wasn't for Maggie, y'all wouldn't have adapted to that as well as you did.
Montegriffo wrote:Then there was the selling off of the crown jewels on the cheap to her bankster buddies. Privatisation of all the money making utilities such as gas, water, electricity, telecoms, transport etc. These would all be earning big bucks for the exchequer now if still nationalised.
If they were nationalized they'd be far worse off than they are now. Public gas, water, electricity, telecoms and transport, give me a break, public utilities suck and Maggie did y'all a big favor by busting them up. That's not one of her biggest negatives, it's one of her biggest positives.
Montegriffo wrote:The lack of consensus government was her greatest weakness in the end. She sacked anyone who disagreed with her, her cabinet had more reshuffles than a Vegas weekend and eventually her ministers became sychophantic yes men too frightened to tell her when she was wrong.
The left would have hated her even if she caved to their every whim, there was no governing by consensus when the British Left was under the influence of Thatcher Derangement Syndrome, if she changed her position to make the left happy, they would have simply changed their opinion to oppose her. Be real.
Montegriffo wrote:All the best things she did such as taking power from the unions, reducing inflation and retaining the Falkland Islands were early on in her Premiership. By the end there were IRA bombings on the mainland, riots in the streets and massive protests everywhere.
Eventually the party had to stab her in the back or risk the real chance of a vote of no confidence and an election they could lose to a Kinnock lead Labour party ready to go back to early '70s Socialism. This is why I wanted Maggie out but was happy when John Major won the '92 general election keeping Kinnock out of power.

I await your reply with my ''Capps cliche'' bingo card at the ready.
She couldn't hold onto power forever in a democracy, whoop dee doo, she had a good run, far better than most British PMs.
/shrugs
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Re: The Fucking Thatcher Thread

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:16 pm

StCapps wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:Then there was the selling off of the crown jewels on the cheap to her bankster buddies. Privatisation of all the money making utilities such as gas, water, electricity, telecoms, transport etc. These would all be earning big bucks for the exchequer now if still nationalised.
If they were nationalized they'd be far worse off than they are now. Public gas, water, electricity, telecoms and transport, give me a break, public utilities suck and Maggie did y'all a big favor by busting them up.
You've never been to Europe have you? Trains don't fall off bridges in Germany or Holland or Scandinavia due to lack of spending on infrastructure.
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Re: The Fucking Thatcher Thread

Post by StCapps » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:20 pm

Montegriffo wrote:trains don't fall off bridges in Germany or Holland or Scandinavia due to lack of spending on infrastructure.
So what? UK public utilities were a nightmare at the time and Maggie vastly improved the situation via reform, your above point is irrelevant. If you'd rather live in Germany or Scandinavia, go ahead, but the German and Scandinavian solution isn't always the best for everyone else, pro tip.

For the most part, Maggie picked her battles wisely on the privatization tip, so not sure why you are bitching about it.
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Re: The Fucking Thatcher Thread

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:26 pm

StCapps wrote:The left would have hated her even if she caved to their every whim, there was no governing by consensus when the British Left was under the influence of Thatcher Derangement Syndrome, if she changed her position to make the left happy, they would have simply changed their opinion to oppose her. Be real.
I'm not talking about a consesus with the left you twit, I'm talking about how she steamrolled all opposition from within her own party. In her day what is now called a cuck was known as a wet and the ice Queen shipped them off to Northern Ireland if they spoke out against her.
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Re: The Fucking Thatcher Thread

Post by StCapps » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:27 pm

Montegriffo wrote:I'm not talking about a consesus with the left you twit, I'm talking about how she steamrolled all opposition from within her own party. In her day what is now called a cuck was known as a wet and the ice Queen shipped them off to Northern Ireland if they spoke out against her.
The opposition within her own party deserved to be steamrolled, fuck those cucks.
/shrugs

Still waiting on real negatives to be mentioned, figures.
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Re: The Fucking Thatcher Thread

Post by Montegriffo » Mon Dec 18, 2017 1:33 pm

StCapps wrote: Still waiting on real negatives to be mentioned, figures.
Hold your breath, I'll get back to you...
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Re: The Fucking Thatcher Thread

Post by DBTrek » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:02 pm

Capps hit him with the ol’ “all your negatives are actually positives, if you know how to play 23 dimensional chess” retort.
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Post by Montegriffo » Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:15 pm

DBTrek wrote:Capps hit him with the ol’ “all your negatives are actually positives, if you know how to play 23 dimensional chess” retort.
:lol:

Never can get enough of that one.
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