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[Speaker to Animals]

At least I understand what the fucking EMP actually is. Don't think anybody rational is convinced by a pair of science-illiterate trailer park boys who wave their hands around and declare it's not possible like a pair of young Earth creationists declaring that God put dinosaur fossils in the ground to trick people.

I mean, neither of you even understand how it works and you are lecturing college graduates like you are fucking experts.

I took physics 3 and calc 3. This shit is not some arcane idea.

[The Conservative]

At least I understand what the fucking EMP actually is. Don't think anybody rational is convinced by a pair of science-illiterate trailer park boys who wave their hands around and declare it's not possible like a pair of young Earth creationists declaring that God put dinosaur fossils in the ground to trick people.

I mean, neither of you even understand how it works and you are lecturing college graduates like you are fucking experts.

I took physics 3 and calc 3. This shit is not some arcane idea.

The way you go about things, I dunno.

[Speaker to Animals]

At least I understand what the fucking EMP actually is. Don't think anybody rational is convinced by a pair of science-illiterate trailer park boys who wave their hands around and declare it's not possible like a pair of young Earth creationists declaring that God put dinosaur fossils in the ground to trick people.

I mean, neither of you even understand how it works and you are lecturing college graduates like you are fucking experts.

I took physics 3 and calc 3. This shit is not some arcane idea.

The way you go about things, I dunno.

LOL. There is A LOT you dunno.

The fact that magnetic fields will create a current in a conductor is pretty well understood. it's how the electricity powering your computer was generated. That's not some mystical conspiracy theory. That's a fact. Gamma ray bursts in the atmosphere definitely create large electro-magnetic fields by bouncing electrons out of molecules in the atmosphere. That's not a theory or a "hypothesis" as capps tried to frame it. It's a fact.

When people are arguing that basic college physics isn't real, then I feel compelled to call them the ignorant asshats they are being. Especially when they roll into a thread insulting everybody as if they know what they are talking about while they are saying this incredibly stupid shit.

Notice how it's only the people who never went to college and never took college physics who think it's a plausible argument that EMP isn't real.

[The Conservative]

At least I understand what the fucking EMP actually is. Don't think anybody rational is convinced by a pair of science-illiterate trailer park boys who wave their hands around and declare it's not possible like a pair of young Earth creationists declaring that God put dinosaur fossils in the ground to trick people.

I mean, neither of you even understand how it works and you are lecturing college graduates like you are fucking experts.

I took physics 3 and calc 3. This shit is not some arcane idea.

The way you go about things, I dunno.

LOL. There is A LOT you dunno.

The fact that magnetic fields will create a current in a conductor is pretty well understood. it's how the electricity powering your computer was generated. That's not some mystical conspiracy theory. That's a fact. Gamma ray bursts in the atmosphere definitely create large electro-magnetic fields by bouncing electrons out of molecules in the atmosphere. That's not a theory or a "hypothesis" as capps tried to frame it. It's a fact.

When people are arguing that basic college physics isn't real, then I feel compelled to call them the ignorant asshats they are being. Especially when they roll into a thread insulting everybody as if they know what they are talking about while they are saying this incredibly stupid shit.

Notice how it's only the people who never went to college and never took college physics who think it's a plausible argument that EMP isn't real.

You really are an idiot savant.

[Speaker to Animals]

Yeah, okay. I apparently got on the wrong bus. This is the short bus, obviously.

[SuburbanFarmer]

The best part is, due to the shape of the earth's magnetic field, a detonation over northern Canada puts us in the sweet spot, it rains down on the CONUS following the field towards the equator, and the rest gets dumped into the arctic circle as Northern Lights, and most of Canada escapes unscathed, from a EMP detonating right above us, lulz.

I’ll take a source on that, if you don’t mind.

Otherwise, where do the northern lights appear, and why?

[Speaker to Animals]

The Earth's magnetic field is not an issue. The gamma radiation creates a completely different electro-magnetic field. As the gamma particles radiate from the blast, they bounce off of molecules in the atmosphere, which kicks off an electron. This happens countless times to create a wave of these electrons.

It's similar to how the ionosphere is created.

[StCapps]

I just quoted you saying it!

No you didn't. Whatever lets you sleep at night, keep on embarrassing yourself for all I care.

Classic case of the SIFCLF, austistic screeching and nonsensical fallacy spewing, page after page after page, derails the conversation to throw an infantile tantrum, discussion goes nowhere, moving on; who knew?

This is the metaphor for America writ large right now, dueling SIFCLF's autistic screeching at each other and throwing tantrums, holding the rest of the republic hostage in the process.

Filthy Chaotic Republic, sputtering from one doomsday prophecy to the next, pointing to leviathan as the scapegoat, with no self awareness whatsoever. Metaphor for America writ large indeed.

[Speaker to Animals]

What little I do know about building such a device is that it has to be shaped right (not spherical) and it has to be detonated in just the right altitude to create the appropriately shaped EM field. It's not just a matter of detonating any random bomb up there, though that too has a small effect. To get the great effect, you need a specifically designed device. I suspect it's actually pretty difficult to shape the resulting field for maximum effect too, because the density of the atmosphere changes with altitude.

[Smitty-48]

The best part is, due to the shape of the earth's magnetic field, a detonation over northern Canada puts us in the sweet spot, it rains down on the CONUS following the field towards the equator, and the rest gets dumped into the arctic circle as Northern Lights, and most of Canada escapes unscathed, from a EMP detonating right above us, lulz.

I’ll take a source on that, if you don’t mind.

Otherwise, where do the northern lights appear, and why?

The northern lights are simply an electromagnetic pulse from the sun, that's the charged particles from the solar wind concentating at the pole, directed by the magnetic field, the EMP is the same, it's just an artificial sun being ignited in orbit, in order to maximise the effect of the EMP, you detonate it in the north where the magnetic field is strongest, but that strong magnetic field actually directs the EMP north and south, north to the pole, and south to the equator, thus, even though northern Canada is the best place to pop one to effect the CONUS, most of Canada is in the sweet spot between the lobes of the charged particle shower. It doesn't go straight down, it follows the magnetic field, so a bank shot off of Canada is the best way to hit the CONUS, but Canada doesn't bear the brunt of it.

It's all about kilovolts per meter, in most of Canada the effect would be light, 3-5 kv/m, some power outages, but intermittent, but down in the central USA, the effect would be more like 15-20 kv/m, which is enough to fry the electrical systems over a wide area. Basically, it would fall to Canada to come to the rescue of the USA.

If Americans all turned on each other in a SIFCLF panic, not much we could do about that, but if everybody just remained calm and helped each other out in the meantime, eventually we'd get the lights back on and sort things out for you. Probably would require full mobilization in Canada, but could be done.