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[StCapps]

Fuck yourself. You were just saying it's not possible and there is no "proof" it's possible, yada yada. Anybody can read this thread, dummy.

Do you admit that an EMP attack is quite possible or not? If you want to admit you were wrong before, I am happy to discuss the completely different issue of the impact of such an attack. You just spent several pages of this thread denying it's even possible.

I admit that the strawman StCapps you've constructed is obviously wrong, I just have no idea why you've constructed him.
/shrugs

I was denying the possibility of ZOMG! 90% lethality. Can you retard things anymore with your obtuseness?

[Speaker to Animals]

Math must be mystifying to people who can't get through the first two years of calculus and physics in college. But I assure you, the math is pretty straightforward. High gamma radiation means your electronics are going to have a bad time.

The math also showed that there was a not too remote chance that detonating the atom bomb would burn up the entire earth's atmosphere, how'd that work out again?

Damn The Conservative beat me too it.

On paper means fuck all, talk to me when you have a machine based on the math, that works in practice, until then you are speculating to convince yourself that the sky is falling, you chicken little faggot.

And here. Buried in the post after the straw man fallacy.

[Speaker to Animals]

Also, the Sun already delivered just such an even in the mid-19th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859


A handful of high school-educated snow clowns are not convincing anybody but themselves. They don't understand something, so they just refuse to believe it, all while they are peddling MIC propaganda.

So there is a weapon that has been throughly tested and can produce a sun like EMP, in practice, not just in theory? No? Then what are you prattling about, theoretical speculation filtered through SIFCLIF, get the fuck outta here.

This also was wrong.

[Speaker to Animals]

Meh, has nothing to do with it, there's no ramp up for a war at all, quite the opposite, other than continuing the GWOT idefinitely at the current expenditures, the Pentagon is breaking down not building up, the US military is getting smaller and weaker and less prepared for war all the time.

GWOT + Sequestration = Sky Is Falling Chicken Little Faggots are just blathering hysterically as per usual, but there's no there there.

Couldn't even be fixed just by throwing money at it, can't turn things around that fast, the Pentagon is so depleted in terms of preparation for a big war, they couldn't even spend the money to make it happen, because the infrastructure needed for a build up has been depleted too.

It's bottlenecked, there's a limit to how much money they could throughput, even if you dumped all the money in the world on them right now. They don't need huge amounts of materiel, as they simply don't have the throughput right now to make use of it.

Would take a decade of rebuilding at least, to prepare for a big war, even if they start throwing money at it in big quantities, starting right now, which, they sho ain't, not at all.

In order to conduct a build up, first the Pentagon would first have to build up its capacity to build up, there's no ordering large quantities of raw materials, until you have the workshops to make it into something.

What Ronald Reagan did in 1981? Couldn't even do it now, the capacity to build up like that has gone away, would take years to build it back up before you could start ordering the titanium and whatnot. The first thing you order in large quantities for a capacity build up, is concrete, not titanium.

Yeah, sorry you are wrong this time Smitty.

Just because you don't like what the math says, doesn't mean the math is wrong.
/shrugs

Why is it so hard to believe the DoD is spending the funds that it's allocated so poorly, that your military is becoming a bloated and fat bureaucracy with huge overhead, instead of a lean mean fighting machine? I mean that seems fairly obviously true, not sure why can't some folks get that through their heads.

The bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy, or as Smitty likes to put it, a self licking ice cream cone.

This was fucking hilarious given that you were shilling for the MIC this whole time with their fallacious arguments.

MIC is not about hardening the nation's electrical grid and communications networks. Burying power lines isn't going to profit them one bit.

[Speaker to Animals]

That's just a small selection of the stupid shit you were posting. Don't tell me you didn't post those things unless your retarded cousin logged into your computer and posted as you.

[SuburbanFarmer]

[StCapps]

I'm just going to ignore you until you stop arguing against Strawman Capps. I'm not going to confess to something I never did, I will not indulge your delusions.

[Speaker to Animals]

If you want to pretend like you didn't make those ignorant posts I just quoted, and now you want to pretend like you always believed in electromagnetism and the potential of an EMP strike, then fine. I guess the entire forum can see you were fucking wrong wrong wrong even if you don't want to admit it while pretending like you never posted those things. Fine.

Now that we have established that electromagnetism is real, that gamma ray bursts generate an electro-magnetic field in the atmosphere, and that this field will create current on all our exposed power lines and fry our electronics, let's focus on the actual damage this can inflict.

The upper limit of fatalities the National Academy of Science estimated I think was around 90% of the population. That was under the assumption that we would receive no assistance from foreign powers. That's a reasonable figure given the assumption, but the assumption seems rather unlikely. It would require EMP attacks on the rest of the developed world to realize those fatalities since the rest of the world could otherwise airdrop rice and medical supplies into CONUS.

Interestingly, we could actually get exactly that effect in a Carrington event, so it's not such a bad idea to focus on hardening our infrastructure. Little things like transitioning to shielded power lines and burying them instead of running them above ground go a very long way. I am not quite sure how to go about shielding the power plants themselves, but I don't think it's impossible. This is not even a difficult problem. It's just a lot of subcontracting.

[Smitty-48]

I'm just going to ignore you until you stop arguing against Strawman Capps. I'm not going to confess to something I never did, I will not indulge your delusions.

In the meantime; fun fact, in order to defend the CONUS from a massively destructive EMP effect, the Americans would have to defend Canada most of all, because for maximum effect on the CONUS, you detonate the EMP somewhere between Yellowknife NWT and Iqaluit Nunavut , lulz.

Canada not being a part of NMD is actually a serious problem for EMP defense, they need BMD right across the north for it to be comprehensive.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I'm just going to ignore you until you stop arguing against Strawman Capps. I'm not going to confess to something I never did, I will not indulge your delusions.

In the meantime; fun fact, in order to defend the CONUS from a massively destructive EMP effect, the Americans would have to defend Canada most of all, because for maximum effect on the CONUS, you detonate the EMP somewhere between Yellowknife NWT and Iqaluit Nunavut , lulz.

Canada not being a part of NMD is actually a serious problem for EMP defense, they need BMD right across the north for it to be comprehensive.

Nah. Let the Canucks freeze.