THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

The Kremlin's account is far more believable to be honest;

"The Russian embassy in London has suggested MI6 may have intentionally used unverified documents claiming Moscow has compromising information about Donald Trump to simultaneously smear the Kremlin and the incoming US administration.

The dossier was reportedly prepared by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer, but in a tweet from its official account the Russian embassy said "MI6 officers are never ex".

The implication appears to be that Mr Steele was working at the behest of the British government and "briefing both ways", against both Mr Trump and Russia."

Started off with Adwinistrator saying "ex-MI6" and then "MI6", I basically had the same reaction as the Russians; "ex-MI6 is bullshit", but then I thought, no wait, Adwin is right, there's no such thing as "ex-MI6", which means if this is the Brits, this is MI6.

This seems more like the British have decided that America has gone rogue, this "kompromat" feels more like it's coming from Vauxall Cross than Lubyanka.

Bear in mind, not everything Mr. Ivan says is a lie, especially when it has the ring of truth to it, which in this case, I'm hearing that bell actually.

The easiest and best place to hide is in plain sight, so when Ivan says "it's not us, dummies, it's the Brits" I'm not actually inclined to dismiss that possibility, very plausble in fact, in the current US-UK relations paradigm.

[Smitty-48]

Oh yeah, McCain was just donning the good citizen cap when he heard about it. That's why when he was in Canada he flew out an intern to England on an SR71 blackbird to pick up the dossier while Trump was still campaigning.

To be clear, I'm not saying the Democucks are not in on using the dossier to smear both Trump and the Russians, but they can't actually use American IC assets to smear a democratically elected POTUS, that borders on treason, the CIA wouldn't do it, CYA, they need an offshore asset, plausible deniability, but do you really believe that they flew in the SR71 to meet with some "private contractor"? Please, the contractor is just a front, they flew out in the SR71, to meet with MI6. We're talking about the most powerful people in the US government here, their "contractors"; are Five Eyes.

The Russians are exactly right; there's no such thing as "ex-MI6", the Democucks are using the British as an offshore asset, the "private contractor" front is to give HM Government plausible deniability.

[Penner]

Christopher Steele, who wrote reports on compromising material Russian operatives allegedly had collected on U.S. President-elect Donald Trump, is a former officer in Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, according to people familiar with his career.

Former British intelligence officials said Steele spent years under diplomatic cover working for the agency, also known as MI6, in Russia and Paris and at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London.

After he left the spy service, Steele supplied the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation with information on corruption at FIFA, international soccer's governing body.

It was his work on corruption in international soccer that lent credence to his reporting on Trump's entanglements in Russia, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN14W0HN

[kybkh]

Christopher Steele, who wrote reports on compromising material Russian operatives allegedly had collected on U.S. President-elect Donald Trump, is a former officer in Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, according to people familiar with his career.

Former British intelligence officials said Steele spent years under diplomatic cover working for the agency, also known as MI6, in Russia and Paris and at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London.

After he left the spy service, Steele supplied the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation with information on corruption at FIFA, international soccer's governing body.

It was his work on corruption in international soccer that lent credence to his reporting on Trump's entanglements in Russia, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN14W0HN

You get a chance to read that NYBook article?

[Smitty-48]

See, this is what I mean, that's just not credible, he's a "ex-MI6 agent" from "back in 90's" who just happens to have singlehadedly penetrated the highest echelons of the FSB, to "prove" Donald Trump is a "pervert!" and Michael Flynn is a "traitor!"? Yeah, right, sure.

The Russian story is far more credible; Trump is not a pervert, Michael Flynn is not a traitor, the Democucks and the Brits are working together to smear both Trump and Russia in one fell swoop.

And if it all backfires and comes a cropper, they have plausible deniability, it's not them, it's this guy Chris Steele, who they can throw under the bus, which is probably why he is hiding out right now rather than coming forward to back up his ridiculous claims.

[kybkh]

Christopher Steele, who wrote reports on compromising material Russian operatives allegedly had collected on U.S. President-elect Donald Trump, is a former officer in Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, according to people familiar with his career.

Former British intelligence officials said Steele spent years under diplomatic cover working for the agency, also known as MI6, in Russia and Paris and at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London.

After he left the spy service, Steele supplied the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation with information on corruption at FIFA, international soccer's governing body.

It was his work on corruption in international soccer that lent credence to his reporting on Trump's entanglements in Russia, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN14W0HN

So I'll give the dossier a little more credit with this info.

But I want to hear your feels on the nybook piece. Did you find it had some points well worth considering and that the sources reporting them are not typical Trump defenders?

If you aren't going to be open minded its pointless.

[Smitty-48]

The dossier comes off more like somebody talked to a bunch of Russians who have no actual intel, but just passed on a bunch of outlandish rumors that are kicking around, then he wrote that up as an "intelligence report" without actually having any sources of worth, in other words, actual FSB Moles passing him actual intelligence, risking their lives and his in the process.

If you're an actual Mole in FSB, a traitor living under threat of death every single day, are you going to be blabbing openly to some "private contractor" who investigates soccer games? Yeah, I think not.

[Penner]

The dossier comes off more like somebody talked to a bunch of Russians who have no actual intel, but just passed on a bunch of outlandish rumors that are kicking around, then he wrote that up as an "intelligence report" without actually having any sources of worth, in other words, actual FSB Moles passing him actual intelligence, risking their lives and his in the process.

If you're an actual Mole in FSB, a traitor living under threat of death every single day, are you going to be blabbing openly to some "private contractor" who investigates soccer games? Yeah, I think not.

Weren't you the one who said that he believed that the dossier was fake because of the way it was written in the first place?

[TheReal_ND]

Christopher Steele, who wrote reports on compromising material Russian operatives allegedly had collected on U.S. President-elect Donald Trump, is a former officer in Britain's Secret Intelligence Service, according to people familiar with his career.

Former British intelligence officials said Steele spent years under diplomatic cover working for the agency, also known as MI6, in Russia and Paris and at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in London.

After he left the spy service, Steele supplied the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation with information on corruption at FIFA, international soccer's governing body.

It was his work on corruption in international soccer that lent credence to his reporting on Trump's entanglements in Russia, U.S. officials said on Wednesday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN14W0HN

The BBC will present fresh details about how the Iraqi weapons dossier was allegedly "sexed up'' by Downing Street and accuse Alastair Campbell of giving "inaccurate'' evidence to the official inquiry into the affair.

Publication of the claims, in the next 48 hours, will reignite the unprecedented row just as the Blair Government appears keen to damp it down. According to senior sources, the corporation has decided at the highest level not to give in to the relentless pressure from the Government.

Journalists and officials at the BBC have spent the weekend poring over the testimony given by Mr Campbell to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee.

According to the sources they have discovered "inaccuracies and inconsistencies'' in what the Prime Minister's communications chief told MPs. Andrew Gilligan, the BBC reporter who has been the focus of government attacks, will produce further information on how the intelligence services were supposedly pressured by Mr Campbell about the "45-minute threats'' posed by Saddam Hussein, which appeared in the first Downing Street dossier last September.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/pol...p?story=420260


https://books.google.com/books?id=U2E79 ... 16&f=false

David Christopher Kelly, CMG (14 May 1944 – 17 July 2003) was a Welsh scientist and authority on biological warfare, employed by the British Ministry of Defence, and formerly a weapons inspector with the United Nations Special Commission in Iraq. He came to public attention in July 2003 when an unauthorised discussion he had off the record with BBC journalist Andrew Gilligan about the British government's dossier on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was cited by Gilligan and led to a major controversy. Kelly's name became known to the media as Gilligan's source and he was called to appear on 15 July before a parliamentary Foreign Affairs Select Committee investigating the issues Gilligan had reported. Kelly was questioned aggressively about his actions.

He was found dead two days later.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_K ... ns_expert)

[Smitty-48]

The dossier comes off more like somebody talked to a bunch of Russians who have no actual intel, but just passed on a bunch of outlandish rumors that are kicking around, then he wrote that up as an "intelligence report" without actually having any sources of worth, in other words, actual FSB Moles passing him actual intelligence, risking their lives and his in the process.

If you're an actual Mole in FSB, a traitor living under threat of death every single day, are you going to be blabbing openly to some "private contractor" who investigates soccer games? Yeah, I think not.

Weren't you the one who said that he believed that the dossier was fake because of the way it was written in the first place?

I think the dossier is fake, I think it's ginned up rumor control taken from people who have no credible information, an operation to compromise the President of the United States would be a state secret at the highest levels, I don't buy that there are FSB Moles passing that information to some private contractor, when the FSB could easily trace back the source to them, it's Russian tin foil hat gossip, dressed up as "Intel", which is all they need, to smear both Trump and Russia, as long as the media plays along, which of course the media is willing to do.