THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Post by Okeefenokee » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:38 pm

SuburbanFarmer wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:32 pm
Okeefenokee wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:28 pm
They are lying.

Go look at this article published today,
http://time.com/5318165/juvenile-immigr ... henandoah/

Notice the top of the page is a video of Melania Trump.
Young Immigrants Held in a Virginia Detention Center Say They Were Abused By Guards

(WASHINGTON) — Immigrant children as young as 14 housed at a juvenile detention center in Virginia say they were beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells.

“Whenever they used to restrain me and put me in the chair, they would handcuff me,” said a Honduran immigrant who was sent to the facility when he was 15 years old. “They also put a bag over your head.”

Many of the children were sent there after U.S. immigration authorities accused them of belonging to violent gangs, including MS-13. President Donald Trump has repeatedly cited gang activity as justification for his crackdown on illegal immigration.

But Kelsey Wong, a program director at the facility, said during a recent congressional hearing that in many cases the children did not appear to be gang members and were suffering from mental health issues.
Read the whole article.

Now, what do you notice here?
After stops at facilities in Texas and New York, he was transferred to Shenandoah in April 2016 and diagnosed during an initial screening by a psychologist with three mental disorders, including depression. The lawsuit alleges the teen has received no further significant mental health treatment.
These abuses happened under Obama. Obama isn't mentioned once in the article. Trump is. They are lying.
They've been in detention centers for THREE YEARS. Are we dealing out life sentences now? What's the limit?
Yeah, let's just ignore the lies. Ask why Trump didn't do anything about Obama's abuse of children years before he was elected. That's what matters.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Okeefenokee » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:40 pm

Obama's name is not mentioned once.
The Latest: Va. Governor Orders Probe Into Juvenile Facility

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam has ordered state officials to investigate claims made by immigrant teens of severe physical abuse at a juvenile detention facility.

Northam announced the probe in a tweet on Thursday, hours after The Associated Press reported on a half-dozen sworn statements from Latino teens held at the Shenandoah Valley Juvenile Center.

Youths as young as 14 say they were beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells. Detainees also say the guards stripped them of their clothes and strapped them to chairs with bags placed over their heads.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... efined-rec
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Okeefenokee » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:46 pm

Looks like Townhall has some integrity,
Disturbing Details About Immigration Detention Center in Virginia in 2016...AP Report Doesn't Mention Obama?

Although the physical violence allegedly occurred in 2015 and 2016, the Associated Press did not mention the Obama administration in their report. But, as some social media users noted, the editors did have plenty to say about President Trump.
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    Immigrant children at detention center sue for 2015 and 2016 abuses including being strapped to a chair naked with sack over head.

    Word count “Trump” - 5
    Word count “Obama” - 0https://apnews.com/afc80e51b562462c89907b49ae624e79 …
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyob ... a-n2493010
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Okeefenokee » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:48 pm

Immigration Lawyer Recalls Warning Obama About Detention Centers

Some Democratic lawmakers have admitted that the plight of undocumented immigrant children was kept "very quiet" during the Obama administration. Almost 70,000 unaccompanied minors were apprehended at the border in 2014. Images showed some of the children being kept in cages at detention centers. An immigration lawyer, R. Andrew Free, even said this week that the policy currently being derided as cruel grew out of practices under Obama.

"I remember hearing the constant, violent coughing and sickness of small children, and the worry of their mothers who stood in the sun outside the clinic all day only to be told their kids should 'drink water,'" Free tweeted. "I remember nearly doubling over when I saw the line of strollers."

In 2015, Free met Obama briefly and took the time to warn him that if he didn't oversee improvements, the condition of the detention centers would be a "stain on his legacy."


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyob ... y-n2492730
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Okeefenokee » Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:53 pm

They are lying.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Penner » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:13 pm

In defending its “zero tolerance” border policy that has caused the separation of families, the Trump administration has argued that the Obama and Bush administrations did this too. That’s misleading. Experts say there were some separations under previous administrations, but no blanket policy to prosecute parents and, therefore, separate them from their children.

“Bush and Obama did not have policies that resulted in the mass separation of parents and children like we’re seeing under the current administration,” Sarah Pierce, a policy analyst with the Migration Policy Institute, told us.

Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said at a June 18 press briefing: “The Obama administration, the Bush administration all separated families. … They did — their rate was less than ours, but they absolutely did do this. This is not new.”

Nielsen went on to explain that there is indeed something new, as we wrote in another article on this topic. Under a “zero tolerance policy” on illegal immigration announced by Attorney General Jeff Sessions in early April, the administration is now referring all illegal border crossings for criminal prosecution. By doing that, parents have been separated from their children, because children can’t be held in detention facilities for adults.

DHS told us that 2,342 children were separated from their parents between May 5 and June 9.

But DHS couldn’t provide any statistics on how many children may have been separated from their parents under the Obama administration.

Instead, when we asked, it pointed to numbers that show 21 percent of apprehended adults were referred for prosecution under President Barack Obama. From fiscal year 2010 to fiscal 2016, there were 2,362,966 adults apprehended illegally crossing the Southern border, and 492,970 were referred for prosecution, those figures show. But that doesn’t tell us anything about how many children may have been separated from their parents under Obama.

And we don’t have such statistics to compare the past to the present.

“We have not seen any data out of the current or prior administration on how many cases that were prosecuted were individuals who arrived with minors,” Theresa Cardinal Brown, director of immigration and cross-border policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center, told us in an email. “So we cannot make any guesses or assumptions about how many separations based on prosecution there were or are.”

Brown said that even though DHS says 2,342 children have been separated from their parents in about one month, we don’t know what percentage of those cases are due to prosecutions for illegal crossings, and how many are due to other policies that would require separations — such as suspicion of trafficking, another outstanding warrant or insufficient proof of a family relationship.

We asked DHS if it would provide such a breakdown, but we haven’t received a response.

MPI’s Pierce said that the likely reason data aren’t available on child separations under previous administrations is because it was done in “really limited circumstances” such as suspicion of trafficking or other fraud.

“Previous administrations used family detention facilities, allowing the whole family to stay together while awaiting their deportation case in immigration court, or alternatives to detention, which required families to be tracked but released from custody to await their court date,” Brown and her co-author, Tim O’Shea, wrote in an explainer piece for the Bipartisan Policy Center’s website. “Some children may have been separated from the adults they entered with, in cases where the family relationship could not be established, child trafficking was suspected, or there were not sufficient family detention facilities available. … However, the zero-tolerance policy is the first time that a policy resulting in separation is being applied across the board.”

Jeh Johnson, DHS secretary under the Obama administration, told NPR earlier this month that he couldn’t say that family separations “never happened” during his tenure. “There may have been some exigent situation, some emergency. There may have been some doubt about whether the adult accompanying the child was in fact the parent of the child. I can’t say it never happened but not as a matter of policy or practice. It’s not something that I could ask our Border Patrol or our immigration enforcement personnel to do,” Johnson said.

The Obama administration faced a surge of unaccompanied children from Central America trying to cross the border in 2014. Cecilia Muñoz, director of the Obama administration’s Domestic Policy Council, told the New York Times this month that a multi-agency team was considering “every possible idea” at the time, including separating families. “I do remember looking at each other like, ‘We’re not going to do this, are we?’ We spent five minutes thinking it through and concluded that it was a bad idea,” the Times quoted Muñoz saying. “The morality of it was clear — that’s not who we are.”

Brown told us that while the Obama administration “did separate some families,” it also tried to detain families together. In 2016, a court ruling limited how long children with their parents could be in family detention centers. That ruling confirmed that a 1997 settlement applied to both unaccompanied and accompanied minors, as we’ve explained before.

“At that point,” Brown said, “family detention dwindled and most families were released into the US, either on their own with a notice to appear or under Alternatives to Detention, which could be an ankle bracelet or a supervised monitoring provision where they had to check in with ICE regularly until their immigration court hearing.”


On June 20, President Donald Trump signed an executive order directing Nielsen to keep families in custody together “during the pendency of any criminal improper entry or immigration proceedings involving their members” at least “to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-t ... -families/
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Penner » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:31 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:40 pm
Obama's name is not mentioned once.
The Latest: Va. Governor Orders Probe Into Juvenile Facility

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam has ordered state officials to investigate claims made by immigrant teens of severe physical abuse at a juvenile detention facility.

Northam announced the probe in a tweet on Thursday, hours after The Associated Press reported on a half-dozen sworn statements from Latino teens held at the Shenandoah Valley Juvenile Center.

Youths as young as 14 say they were beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells. Detainees also say the guards stripped them of their clothes and strapped them to chairs with bags placed over their heads.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... efined-rec
Interesting, CNN is also reporting about this:
CNN)A year before the Trump administration's "zero-tolerance" policy resulted in more than 2,300 children being separated from their families at the border in a mere five-week period, a ninth-grader in McAllen, Texas, was taken from his mother.

He was riding in a car with friends last spring when the car was pulled over. The teenager, brought illegally to the country by his mother as a baby, was unable to show identification. Police called immigration officials, who arrested the boy and sent him to a shelter for unaccompanied migrant children.




John Doe 2, as he is referred to in current legal filings challenging his detainment, became one of thousands caught in a network of shelters and higher-security facilities that house undocumented minors, now gaining attention as newly separated children have been streaming in.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/us/undoc ... index.html
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Okeefenokee » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:20 pm

Penner wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:31 pm
Okeefenokee wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 8:40 pm
Obama's name is not mentioned once.
The Latest: Va. Governor Orders Probe Into Juvenile Facility

Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam has ordered state officials to investigate claims made by immigrant teens of severe physical abuse at a juvenile detention facility.

Northam announced the probe in a tweet on Thursday, hours after The Associated Press reported on a half-dozen sworn statements from Latino teens held at the Shenandoah Valley Juvenile Center.

Youths as young as 14 say they were beaten while handcuffed and locked up for long periods in solitary confinement, left nude and shivering in concrete cells. Detainees also say the guards stripped them of their clothes and strapped them to chairs with bags placed over their heads.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar ... efined-rec
Interesting, CNN is also reporting about this:
CNN)A year before the Trump administration's "zero-tolerance" policy resulted in more than 2,300 children being separated from their families at the border in a mere five-week period, a ninth-grader in McAllen, Texas, was taken from his mother.

He was riding in a car with friends last spring when the car was pulled over. The teenager, brought illegally to the country by his mother as a baby, was unable to show identification. Police called immigration officials, who arrested the boy and sent him to a shelter for unaccompanied migrant children.




John Doe 2, as he is referred to in current legal filings challenging his detainment, became one of thousands caught in a network of shelters and higher-security facilities that house undocumented minors, now gaining attention as newly separated children have been streaming in.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/21/us/undoc ... index.html
How have you not gotten it through your thick fucking dullard's skull that no one believes you give one single fuck about these kids?

This case over the abuse of children under Obama was brought in 2016 when he was still president, and it was never mentioned by the media until now.

You're nothing but liars.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:35 pm

Penner wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:13 pm
In defending its “zero tolerance” border policy that has caused the separation of families, the Trump administration has argued that the Obama and Bush administrations did this too. That’s misleading. Experts say there were some separations under previous administrations, but no blanket policy to prosecute parents and, therefore, separate them from their children.
OK, so the Bush and Obama admins let this go on for over a decade, the press said nothing. YOU said nothing. It becomes an issue over the last week and Trump fixes it in 3 days and your pissed.

Fucking explain yourself.
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