THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:51 pm

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Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:58 pm
Ben Cartwright had the absolute authority to exclude dependent children, mothers, the POTUS, or anyone else from the Ponderosa. Where would he have the authority to split up families or hold anyone against their will, though? Just go in peace, friend.

Or, as they say as at closing time at every college bar, you all ain't got to go home, but you can't stay here.
Ben Cartwright had a rule, no Squatters, kicked em off the Ponderosa...……… 26 min mark as proof.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:56 pm

@ Penner

A few questions, maybe we can agree on something.

1. Do you feel the Trump Administration is breaking the Law ?
2. How do you feel about a Grassroots movement to sponsor these families ?
3. You've stated Obama and W didn't do this, how does it differ ?
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:06 pm

If people come here illegally across our borders with children, what are we supposed to do? We don't know who any of these people are. We don't know who these kids' parents actually are.

Regardless of all else, no matter what you have to intern these kids somewhere until you can figure out exactly where they came from, get in contact with their local authorities, verify their identity, and return them to the proper custody.

This isn't complicated to understand, but apparently TDS makes these zombies retarded as fuck.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:13 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:06 pm
If people come here illegally across our borders with children, what are we supposed to do? We don't know who any of these people are. We don't know who these kids' parents actually are.

Regardless of all else, no matter what you have to intern these kids somewhere until you can figure out exactly where they came from, get in contact with their local authorities, verify their identity, and return them to the proper custody.

This isn't complicated to understand, but apparently TDS makes these zombies retarded as fuck.

10-12,000 kids showing up on the border without parents. As you point out, we need to question what's going on here.
For all the outrage, we might be stopping a helluva a lot of human trafficking. The kids may not even know. People could be paid to get these kids to the US, but once they get into the US the kids get sold into sex slavery.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:16 pm

C-Mag wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:13 pm
Speaker to Animals wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:06 pm
If people come here illegally across our borders with children, what are we supposed to do? We don't know who any of these people are. We don't know who these kids' parents actually are.

Regardless of all else, no matter what you have to intern these kids somewhere until you can figure out exactly where they came from, get in contact with their local authorities, verify their identity, and return them to the proper custody.

This isn't complicated to understand, but apparently TDS makes these zombies retarded as fuck.

10-12,000 kids showing up on the border without parents. As you point out, we need to question what's going on here.
For all the outrage, we might be stopping a helluva a lot of human trafficking. The kids may not even know. People could be paid to get these kids to the US, but once they get into the US the kids get sold into sex slavery.

That must be why the democrats and the MSM are gaslighting America over this right now. They ran out of kids to harvest.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Kath » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:22 pm

Penner wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:42 pm

It's from VOX and not FB. These videos/photos came from Trump:
Nobody is claiming it's not happening now. The fact is that it's been happening all along. Were you outraged when Obama did it or are you just now realizing it's been happening? I'd like an answer. Or another Vox link; your choice.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Post by Penner » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:28 pm

Kath wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:22 pm
Penner wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:42 pm

It's from VOX and not FB. These videos/photos came from Trump:
Nobody is claiming it's not happening now. The fact is that it's been happening all along. Were you outraged when Obama did it or are you just now realizing it's been happening? I'd like an answer. Or another Vox link; your choice.
Show me where did Obama separate children from their parents for illegal immigration. Did he detained immigrants (like Bush) yes, but where did he separate them from their families/caregivers/guardians?
Cillizza: Prior to Donald Trump taking over as President, what was the policy toward undocumented immigrants entering the country with small children?
Meissner: Before the Trump administration's zero-tolerance policy, families arriving at the border without authorization to enter but claiming a credible fear if returned home were permitted to enter to apply for asylum. Whether or not they were detained while applying for asylum depended on a series of court rulings and legislation, in addition to the availability of detention bed space.

A 1997 court settlement agreed to by the US government in a case called Flores v. Reno, which remains in effect today, requires the government to release children from immigration detention without unnecessary delay to, in order of preference, parents, other adult relatives or licensed programs willing to accept custody. If children cannot be released, Flores requires the government to hold them in the "least restrictive" setting available. The 2008 Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act, signed by President George W. Bush, codified parts of the settlement into federal law.
In 2015, a federal judge in California ruled that the Flores requirements apply not only to unaccompanied minors but also to children apprehended with their parents, meaning that all minors must be released from detention if possible. The judge also ordered the Department of Homeland Security to release parents detained along with their children. An appeals court in 2016 affirmed that Flores applied to all children but reversed the ruling that parents should be released as well.
Amid a surge in family flows, there were not enough detention beds available to hold families even for the 20 days allowed under the court settlement, causing many to be released. The family detention system currently has capacity to hold just 2,700 people at a time -- resulting in the "catch and release" that President Trump railed against in his election campaign and since.
Cillizza: What, specifically, did the Trump administration change in this policy? And is this simply an enforcement of an Obama administration policy or an actual change?
Meissner: The change the Trump administration has made is to declare and try to implement a zero-tolerance policy at the US-Mexico border: Criminal prosecution of all people who seek to cross illegally between ports of entry. With Attorney General Jeff Sessions' announcement on April 7 that all illegal crossers would be prosecuted in federal court for illegal entry or re-entry, the administration essentially ensured that parents would be separated from their children because minors cannot be kept in federal criminal detention facilities. So the parents are now being transferred from the Border Patrol to the US Marshals Service and then are being tried in court for the misdemeanor of illegal entry or the felony charge of illegal re-entry. As a result, their children are turned over to the custody of the Department of Health Human Services' Office of Refugee Resettlement.
The Trump administration's blanket policy to prosecute all illegal crossers, including family groups, is new. However, it builds upon earlier efforts by the Bush and Obama administrations. In 2005, the Bush administration launched Operation Streamline in one Border Patrol sector in Texas, aiming to criminally prosecute illegal crossers. Between 2003 and 2005, criminal prosecutions of first-time unauthorized crossers for illegal entry or re-entry more than quadrupled, from 4,000 to 16,500. By 2010, they had reached 44,000. Operation Streamline was extended to some other Border Patrol sectors and continued under the Obama administration, reaching a peak 97,000 criminal prosecutions in 2013.
Still, the phenomenon of families arriving at the US-Mexico border together dates from just the last few years, and was not one that the Bush or early Obama administrations confronted in any significant numbers. Few children were separated from their families during the earlier administrations as a result of criminal prosecution of the parents.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/politics ... index.html
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by PartyOf5 » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:31 pm

If we had a wall this wouldn't be happening. But the liberals didn't want that.

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by Penner » Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:32 pm

PartyOf5 wrote:
Mon Jun 18, 2018 6:31 pm
If we had a wall this wouldn't be happening. But the liberals didn't want that.
There were like 3 bipartisan attempts to have reform immigration, with money to build the Wall and Trump refused to sign all 3.
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