CS 317 Shades of Grey

[ssu]

Believing that Clinton or Trump is Nuclear Hitler, that's just the difference between SIFCLF-R and SIFCLF-D.
If you believe Hillary Clinton would start WWIII, you got SIFCLF-R.
If you believe Donald Trump would start WWIII, you got SIFCLF-D.

Yep. This I don't understand. Why one has to believe in Nuclear Hitlers of the opposing party in the first place?

Why on Earth are people so emotional about two corrupt parties that basically try their most to hype up the differences between them in order for people to vote for them... because otherwise it going to Armageddon or what? Why fall for their marketing gimmick?

In the end they have to compromise in their policies. And in the end it's the corporations & big money that they both obey.

[StCapps]

I didn't say she is nuclear Hitler, capps. I said her stated position was increasing hostilities with Russia, and her position on a no-fly zone in Syria in particular objectively requires a shooting war with Russia in order to happen.

Not if Russia was cool with it. Your mind goes straight to the Sky Is Falling scenario though, because you're a Chicken Little Faggot.

[StCapps]

Why fall for their marketing gimmick?

Confirmation bias. If you're prone to thinking that the Sky Is Falling, then you go looking for evidence to confirm that it is, you don't go looking for evidence to the contrary of that ingrained notion.

[Speaker to Animals]

I didn't say she is nuclear Hitler, capps. I said her stated position was increasing hostilities with Russia, and her position on a no-fly zone in Syria in particular objectively requires a shooting war with Russia in order to happen.

Not if Russia was cool with it. Your mind goes straight to the Sky Is Falling scenario though, because you're a Chicken Little Faggot.

Now you are just getting angrier about your being wrong.

Is the following statement true or false:

A vote for a candidate is a vote for their stated political agenda.

You argued that was false before. If you want to backtrack and change your opinion, that's fine, but don't go off into a tirade to avoid answering it. You were clearly wrong. We had no choice but to take her for her word. A vote for Hillary was literally a vote for escalation of conflict with Russia which Hillary herself initiated in Ukraine and Syria as Secretary of State. You are not behaving like a rational adult here. Save your epithets for somebody who is swayed by sophomoric tactics.

The case for voting for Trump and not Hillary is quite rational even if Trump himself is an emotional child similar to you.

[StCapps]

A vote for a candidate is a vote for their stated political agenda.

If you believe they will deliver on their stated political agenda, if you even know what their political agenda is, which most people who voted for Clinton, didn't think through the her position on a Syrian No-Fly Zone. You assume they all knew and want to go war with Russia anyway, which is ridiculous, you just want to demonize the opposition as being evil, instead of ignorant, which leads to faulty anlysis

You put words in my mouth to have a shitty opponent to argue against. Keep on imagining boogeymen that don't exist though, quite entertaining.

[Speaker to Animals]

And back to the original disputed point:

I argued that something like 52% of women voted for Clinton and 100% of those women would never be required to actually fight Hillary's wars. That's a fact, jack. These women may have ostensibly voted for a vagina, but what they really voted for was war -- a war they wouldn't have to fight. That's the problem here. And to further illustrate their commitment to that war, these chicks are out in force with the RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA! conspiracy theories about how we are now AT WAR with Russia because of some vague and unprovable conspiracy theory about Russian hacking or whatever that nonsense has morphed into. They are still talking about war with Russia even after the lost!

You fucking clown. At least acknowledge the reality here.

[StCapps]

How many Clinton voters even knew about her Syrian No-Fly Zone policy? If you think most of them knew, and they thought through all the possible ramifications of such a policy, then you're dumb. If you think Clinton voters championing the Russia! Russia! Russia! narrative proves that they want war with Russia, then you're dumb.

Seems to me you just want to paint Clinton voters as evil as opposed to ignorant, which is leading you to faulty analysis.

[ssu]

What about the violent coups she fomented in Ukraine, Libya, and Syria don't confirm her willingness to do just that? We all had every reason to believe she would do it because it's what she was already doing as Secretary of State! Get over yourself already.

UH... so you think Ukraine was a violent coup fomented By Hillary Clinton? Quite the Russian line there, actually.

You see it's one thing to say that the US was actively engaged in the events in Ukraine, which it obviously was. Now that's a reasonable critique. Another thing saying the US was the root cause of a revolution. (Sorry, "fascist coup" would be the proper term from Moscow)

And Libya? Let's remember what Trump said back then....


"Now, we should go in, we should stop this guy which would be very easy and very quick..."

[Speaker to Animals]

How many Clinton voters even knew about her Syrian No-Fly Zone policy? If you think most of them knew, and they thought through all the possible ramifications of such a policy, then you're dumb. If you think Clinton voters championing the Russia! Russia! Russia! narrative proves that they want war with Russia, then you're dumb.

Seems to me you just want to paint Clinton voters as evil as opposed to ignorant, which is leading you to faulty analysis.

It doesn't matter, capps. How long will it take for you to grasp this? Her stated position was for increased hostilities with Russia. A vote for her was literally a vote for increased hostilities with Russia, and her past behavior provided proof she was more than willing to do it. Furthermore, the fact that her supporters are to this very day beating war drums over Russia, a war most of them wouldn't even have to fight the cowards that they are, tells us quite plainly that many if not most of them damned well understood what they voted for and they still support it.

[StCapps]

the fact that her supporters are to this very day beating war drums over Russia,

Not a fact, a SIFCLF-R delusion. War with Russia is not popular, even among Clinton supporters, pretending otherwise is asinine. You're demonizing the opposition, and generally being a dumbass reactionary.

tells us quite plainly that many if not most of them damned well understood what they voted for and they still support it.

"Everyone knew what they were voting for, Americans are way more informed than voters in any other country on the planet by a massive margin, especially Clinton Voters."

That seems real likely.


Most Americans who voted for Hillary Clinton knew hardly anything about her foreign policy, they are not the policy wonks you portray them to be. Y'all are not that informed, and you never will be.

Just because you personally knew about Clinton Syria No-Fly Zone policy, and realized that would likely increase tensions with Russia, that doesn't mean most voters, or most Clinton voters, did as well. Quit projecting your idiosyncratic views on an electorate who thinks nothing like you. You're a political misfit, your views are not shared by most Americans, deal with it.

If you think a good chunk of the electorate thinks just like you do, just because Trump is POTUS, you're dumb. Most folks who voted for Trump didn't vote for him for the same exact reasons that you did, but you insist on projecting anyway.