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Re: Current US Military

Post by clubgop » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:09 am

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Okeefenokee wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:I’m sure that all the vets have worked really hard and sacrificed much for corporate profits, but it doesn’t do much for yours truly.
That is why no one wants to defend you anymore. You aren't worth it. Vets are leaving to go home and leaving shitlibs like you to fend for yourselves. Again, not like I didn't tell you this years ago. The military is done with you.

Retention is so low that the Army is threatening to revoke benefits for anyone who doesn't want to stay in, and the result has been an increased exodus.

I told you years ago that the military was not on board with the idea that one percent of the population should carry the load of never ending war, and you scoffed at me.

Have fun with the outcome.
I support their decision. I'm glad that people are starting to wake up to the massive scam of non-defensive military service.

As I've said many times, if there were a fight to actually defend America, I'd be right there with you. Given that that's as likely as a pig with wings though, I fully support people opting to do something else.
No you don't. You hate them. And you are a cowardly bitch that expects others to protect you. Your confiscation policies prove that.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:25 am

“’Twas only by favor of mine,” quoth he, “ye rode so long alive:
There was not a rock for twenty mile, there was not a clump of tree,
But covered a man of my own men with his rifle cocked on his knee.
If I had raised my bridle-hand, as I have held it low,
The little jackals that flee so fast, were feasting all in a row:
If I had bowed my head on my breast, as I have held it high,
The kite that whistles above us now were gorged till she could not fly.”

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Re: Current US Military

Post by C-Mag » Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:02 pm

AIR FORCE CHAPLAIN BUSTED FOR SHOPLIFTING IN GERMANY - MUSLIM CLERIC CPT SHARIOR RAHMAN
FOUND GUILTY OF STEALING GROCERIES FROM ANEDEKA STORE IN HAMBURG - ALSO FOR SAME CRIME AT RAMSTEIN BASE -AMERICANS LET HIM OFF WITH NO CHARGE
You won't see this story in the New York TIMES, Washington POST, CNN, MSNBC/DNC or the rest of the fake "mainstream media."  But if a Fundamentalist Protestant chaplain who opposes same sex-marriage ceremonies and proclaims the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, were in the same situation, well, that would be fodder for at least three news cycles.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by C-Mag » Wed Dec 27, 2017 1:34 am

SF physical quals removed from Q course to ensure women pass
http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/12/green ... n-the-80s/
Since 2015, no woman has successfully made it through SFQC, or the Special Forces Qualification Course since Ash Carter, with a stroke of a pen, created the single greatest disaster in US military history, the authorization for women to serve in the combat arms and special operations units.
But, that is about to change…
The army’s leaders, which in 2017, consist mainly of social justice warriors, flaming liberals and back-stabbing ticket-punching, perfumed princes, have consistently demonstrated that they possess neither the warrior ethos nor the moral courage to challenge the social engineering insanity invading the lean green machine.
Our country’s national security is being damaged every day and the army’s senior leadership is more focused on political correctness and diversity than war fighting.............

A couple weeks ago, an anonymous letter, written by one or several training personnel from the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School wrote a scathing letter, indicting senior Green Beret officers and enlisted men for essentially erasing any physical standards for those who seek the Green Beret, in order to successfully pass females through the program, while placating feminists in the Pentagon.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:27 am

C-Mag wrote:SF physical quals removed from Q course to ensure women pass
http://usdefensewatch.com/2017/12/green ... n-the-80s/
Since 2015, no woman has successfully made it through SFQC, or the Special Forces Qualification Course since Ash Carter, with a stroke of a pen, created the single greatest disaster in US military history, the authorization for women to serve in the combat arms and special operations units.
But, that is about to change…
The army’s leaders, which in 2017, consist mainly of social justice warriors, flaming liberals and back-stabbing ticket-punching, perfumed princes, have consistently demonstrated that they possess neither the warrior ethos nor the moral courage to challenge the social engineering insanity invading the lean green machine.
Our country’s national security is being damaged every day and the army’s senior leadership is more focused on political correctness and diversity than war fighting.............

A couple weeks ago, an anonymous letter, written by one or several training personnel from the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School wrote a scathing letter, indicting senior Green Beret officers and enlisted men for essentially erasing any physical standards for those who seek the Green Beret, in order to successfully pass females through the program, while placating feminists in the Pentagon.
Technically a UCMJ Article 89, it's one thing to turn in your kit and then express your opinion about it, but a whole 'nother ball game if you're still serving and you publicly trash your GoC, truth is not a defense, and the author even concedes that the directives are lawful orders, so actually a court martial offense to go on a tirade like that.

In terms of the standards being watered down, honestly sounds more like they're trying to make up their numbers rather than trying to pass females, as according to the letter, they are watering the standards down across the board, not just PT related.

Sounds more like they're just not passing enough GB's in general in order to crew the ODA's in terms of male candidates, never mind females. They don't need to go to those extremes, just to pass a few showcase females, the only reason to go to those extremes, is that they just don't have enough GB's over all.

Seems like it might be more related to the kind of stuff Okie has been talking about, like promoting people just to fill slots, trying to make up for the losses, people quitting faster than they can replace them.

The Army is historically small right now, they've cut it by a third, there's internal competition for recruits in SOCOM, a lot of people want to go SEAL because the SEAL's get all the media hype, the best people get trimmed off to go to JSOC, they may simply be unable to fill the number of SF battalions that they are carrying, with the number of recruits available.

Bear in mind, budget is related to numbers, commanders are rated on retention and filling slots, it sounds like they may just be saying; slap a green beret on them so we can make our numbers, then we'll fix them after once they're in battalion.

If the Army says that there just ain't enough GB's to go around, so cut a battalion out of each group, then you wouldn't have to do it, but if the Army says you have to have fifteen battalions or whatever, and you don't have enough warm bodies to fill the slots, there's not much else they can do.

The tell tale sign is that they dropped the languages qualification standard, that has nothing to do with females, that's just plain old not enough people to fill the slots period.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:38 am

Need more cannon fodder. Doesn’t have to run fast, just shoot stuff.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:24 am

The main purpose of SF as envisioned by their patron John Kennedy, was actually to be instructors more than anything, they were supposed to fight the Cold War by unconventional means, recruiting training and assisting partisan forces against Communism in the Third World.

Their clients in Vietnam were famously the Montagnards or Mung, the indigenous hill tribes, sort of the Red Indians of Indochina, an oppressed minority who were nemesis to the Vietnamese.

The reason the standards were high, was so that these Operational Detachments or "A-Teams" of 12 could operate deep in contested territory with minimal support, carrying out all the tasks of a much larger unit, and so that the partisans would be impressed by them and so more inclined to fight for them.

The Army calls this mission Foreign Internal Defense.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by ssu » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:45 am

Smitty-48 wrote:The main purpose of SF as envisioned by their patron John Kennedy, was actually to be instructors more than anything, they were supposed to fight the Cold War by unconventional means, recruiting training and assisting partisan forces against Communism in the Third World.

Their clients in Vietnam were famously the Montagnards or Mung, the indigenous hill tribes, sort of the Red Indians of Indochina, an oppressed minority who were nemesis to the Vietnamese.

The reason the standards were high, was so that these Operational Detachments or "A-Teams" of 12 could operate deep in contested territory with minimal support, carrying out all the tasks of a much larger unit, and so that the partisans would be impressed by them and so more inclined to fight for them.

The Army calls this mission Foreign Internal Defense.
I feel there's a political tendency to replace ordinary troops with SF many times just out of political easyness of using them.

I don't know how much the training role has been to outsourced to Private companies, but that was the once the hype.

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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:51 am

There's different dynamics in play, for political reasons, SF is often used to replace conventional troops, but when it comes to Foreign Internal Defense, often its the other way round, conventional troops replacing SF, simply because there's not enough SF to go around.

In Canada, we deploy the regular troops to train the Ukrainians, and the special operations regiment SF company is in Erbil training the Peshmerga.

PMC's we mostly use to train our own troops, like specialty training which the military doesn't have in house.

The main thing is, governments don't want to acknowledge that they are at war, so they do "Foreign Internal Defense" and claim that it's "not war, just training", so FID is in big demand right now.
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Re: Current US Military

Post by Smitty-48 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:09 am

The other thing that's going on in the US, is sequestration, the congress has capped the budget for anything that isn't part of the Overseas Contingency Operations fund, but they haven't reduced the missions the US military is responsible for, so even though the budget is big, the US military mission set is bigger still, so the effect is to hollow out the force by default, when the budget doesn't match the taskings, so even SOCOM is short of cash, and then what happens is they won't pay to retain senior people, and then they have to replace those people with cheaper people, cheaper being less well trained.

There's three SF battalions in each Group, one Group for each Combatant Command, so they could instead just eliminate the third battalions in each Group, but the Groups rotate their battalions in and out of the forward areas, so that would mean less taskings, but they wont reduce the taskings, so the army has to reduce the standards to keep the numbers they need to go to all the places they are being sent.

The recruitment base, the Army itself, is smaller and of less quality, it's being hollowed out, so the candidates who show up to the Q course are of lower quality, but if the instructors fail them, then the Groups simply won't have enough Green Berets to deploy, so they're not allowing the instructors to fail them.

As you reduce the standards to try to keep the numbers up, it has a cascading effect, lower standards for the Army means lower standards for the Green Berets, and eventually this will mean lower standards for Delta as well, in order to keep the numbers up at JSOC.

Politicians would like to jettison conventional forces and just keep the special operations forces, but it doesn't work that way, because it's like a pyramid, with the SOF at the very top, if you start to knock bricks out of the base of the pyramid, that will undermine the peak by default.

And SOCOM in huge, it's like 70,000 now, and all those units in SOCOM are competing for the same people, so if you cut the legs out from under it, then the snake starts to eat its tail as it were.
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