Destroying History

[Speaker to Animals]

You were wrong. You claimed that Spartacus' wife was not a Dionysian. You shit all over my post, insultingly, while being totally factually incorrect. I replied with the actual quotes from the Roman historians, which you ignored and probably still have never read.

Fuck yourself. You can't debate. You are just shitting all over people and posturing. The fact that all you can get are idiots like GCF to fawn over your nonsense should have indicated something to you.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with the thesis I presented. Next time, try doing so like somebody who reads a book every now and again and can admit when he is wrong.

[BjornP]

Oh I am not going anywhere. I am the only one presenting arguments with sources at this point in any case.

It just got to the point where I realize that guy is a total fraud and wasting my time. He has no intention of debating anything honestly. I caught him flat out lying and deleting quotes to avoid admitting he was wrong.

At what point am I supposed to admit this guy doesn't actually have an argument is only here to obfuscate and lie? I am not wasting my time with a person like that. By all means, fly off the cliff in his clown car along with him. I will stick with what Roman historians had to say about what happened rather than Bjorn's unsubstantiated feelings.

I am very interested in debate. The debate began with me pointing out that you can't trust any ancient Roman source to properly understand that foreign, non-Roman gods did NOT actually worship Roman gods. I just posted two sources on early Christians proving why you can't simply treat ancient historians as all-knowing, which is the issue here. If you want to keep insisting that all historical sources need to be treated like they're all knowing about the world they lived in, you're going to have a problem with that anti-Christian source...

[SuburbanFarmer]

One of these people reads the Bible literally. The other does not.

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh I am not going anywhere. I am the only one presenting arguments with sources at this point in any case.

It just got to the point where I realize that guy is a total fraud and wasting my time. He has no intention of debating anything honestly. I caught him flat out lying and deleting quotes to avoid admitting he was wrong.

At what point am I supposed to admit this guy doesn't actually have an argument is only here to obfuscate and lie? I am not wasting my time with a person like that. By all means, fly off the cliff in his clown car along with him. I will stick with what Roman historians had to say about what happened rather than Bjorn's unsubstantiated feelings.

I am very interested in debate. The debate began with me pointing out that you can't trust any ancient Roman source to properly understand that foreign, non-Roman gods did NOT actually worship Roman gods. I just posted two sources on early Christians proving why you can't simply treat ancient historians as all-knowing, which is the issue here. If you want to keep insisting that all historical sources need to be treated like they're all knowing about the world they lived in, you're going to have a problem with that anti-Christian source...

No, you really are not. You are interested in puffing yourself up and posing as a scholar.

The Roman historians described exactly what the Bacchanalia was like (which, I should not have to explain to you -- as one would to a child -- was not even a Roman cult to begin with, but a foreign cult that infiltrated Roman society).

Your quotes about Christians are non sequitors that have ZERO to do with the original argument. You are trying to throw up a smokescreen just to avoid admitting you were wrong.

[Speaker to Animals]

Next time, maybe don't come blazing into a discussion like a category five cuntstorm and then act shocked when people tell you to go fuck yourself with a shovel.

[BjornP]

You were wrong. You claimed that Spartacus' wife was not a Dionysian. You shit all over my post, insultingly, while being totally factually incorrect. I replied with the actual quotes from the Roman historians, which you ignored and probably still have never read.

Fuck yourself. You can't debate. You are just shitting all over people and posturing. The fact that all you can get are idiots like GCF to fawn over your nonsense should have indicated something to you.

I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with the thesis I presented. Next time, try doing so like somebody who reads a book every now and again and can admit when he is wrong.

Which is true because of the reason I simply won't bother repeating anymore. The links are a page or so back. This is something even amateur historians who read Roman sources will know to look for when some ancient Roman says that some ancient Britons worship Mars or whatever.

And stop whining about things you do yourself. Like anyone gives a shit. I can easily admit when I'm wrong, and have done so on occasions. I am not wrong on this. Try reading those two links back there. Reading two thousand year old witness testimonies and expecting that the words they use, have the same meanings we have, that their points of reference are the same, that their values are the same, and that they understand the world outside their own to the same exent WE do? That's the mistake you're making.

Read that link about historical sources I gave you. If you're too upset about me "shitting all over you", take a breather. Wait a day. Then read it. Absorb that knowledge, use the methods and technqiues in your information seeking, as well as when you're reading historical sources. Don't ignore learning something useful just because I , or anyone else, "shit all over you".

[Speaker to Animals]

OMFG

The woman was literally a priestess of Dionysus. Livy and Appian both outright claim that Spartacus was more Greek than Thracian.

Again, you don't even read these texts you are trying to lecture people on. If you did, you wouldn't look like such a giant asshole right now.

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh, and LMFAO, listen to that History on Fire podcast episode about the three wars, and lo and behold, Bolelli seems to be "wrong" about these revolts being connected to the Dionysian cults too. Maybe you should go over to his site and lecture him with this nonsense as well.

[BjornP]

No, you really are not. You are interested in puffing yourself up and posing as a scholar.

The Roman historians described exactly what the Bacchanalia was like (which, I should not have to explain to you -- as one would to a child -- was not even a Roman cult to begin with, but a foreign cult that infiltrated Roman society).

Your quotes about Christians are non sequitors that have ZERO to do with the original argument. You are trying to throw up a smokescreen just to avoid admitting you were wrong.

Compared to you, I definitely am. Compared to probably a hundred thousand or so historians of various status, I'm definitely not.

Try thinking logically and rationally for a second. They had everything to do with the original argument. The point of posting that ridiculous anti-Christian source was to prove that a decent historian would take that source with a grain of salt. Same applies to the specific claim that a non-Roman "prophetess" worshipped Roman gods. It is not a discredit of the usefulness of the source ASIDE from that, it's a critique of YOUR reading of it. It is simply a known fact, something I posted two links about, that Romans Romanized the names of foreign deities. Reading Plutarch without considering that, is excatly like reading the anti-Christian source and taking that at face value.

[Speaker to Animals]

You really can't admit when you are wrong even when history plainly contradicts you. It's really sad.

You should read the historians before you decide to lecture people on how to interpret them.