Income Inequality

[jbird4049]

A conspiracy entails keeping something a secret, and none of this is particularly secretive. It's all out in the open.

Do you deny that a significant portion of the democratic party base is anti-white or do you deny that the globalist establishment of both parties is out to open borders to lower labor costs and make trade more profitable for themselves?

You're mistaking total incompetence for a conspiracy. Yes, the Democraps are reaching out to minorities, to the detriment of their white supporters. You're not completely wrong that the trend toward 'white guilt' is a complete mistake.

However, it's not being done "to intentionally wipe out whiteness". It's just dumb shit pandering to keep the Obama momentum going, and appear as the 'kinder, gentler' option to the GOP.

The GOP is doing EXACTLY the same globalist shit, pandering to megacorps, under a different public image. Again, not as part of some nefarious conspiracy, just gross incompetence and short-sightedness.

There is no difference, except the branding. You really have to get beyond that and accept that neither party gives a single fuck about your happiness or well-being. They want to suck corporate cock while the Titanic rolls over.

I believe that this is arguing over inconsequence stuff.

Can we all agree that our beloved Elites of both parties, with some exceptions, don't give a rat's ass about our beliefs, our race, or our family, or our friends, never mind us, but only about supporting the neoliberal/neoconservative advancement of the wealthy global elite at the expense of most everyone else?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Pump the breaks...

1st of most:

Someone say something about fireworks and Arby's coupons? Where can I get some?

2ndly:

Setting aside the annihilation of my white brethren for a moment, obviously a cheap labor surplus hurts workers' ability to negotiate, which leads to wealth inequality. Also obviously, wealth inequality creates problems, not just because the proles resent the wealthy, but because our economy requires consumers. Consumers require duckets. If all them duckets are getting locked away, well, whence growth? This means to get growth you need to extract more production from workers for less, meaning you need cheaper workers... and the cycle continues.

If we changed the laws to ensure that your migrants and HB1 imports are guaranteed the same labor protections and wages as everyone else, you solve the problem. Continuing to pit potential labor forces against each other is futile if you want to improve the conditions of the American worker, and return to actual growth. You could try to solve the problem by making a stronger, more brutal and restrictive state, but that doesn't give more bargaining power to workers, it just gives more power to the state.

[Martin Hash]

Every Elite, and most members of this forum, are jealous & protective of their ability to become nobility. That takes a serious accumulation of wealth which has to come from somewhere because no matter what they say, the GNP is nearly a zero-sum gain.

[Hastur]

I agree with most of what is being said in the thread so far. I think you are missing one difference though when it comes to the US.

I live in a country with a lot less income inequality even though we have the same problems with globalization and immigration. A couple of things are different, though. We don't have minimum wage laws. Instead we have central negotiations between employee organizations and unions and clear laws regulating labor conflicts. Our policy is that government shouldn't interfere in the prizing of the labour market and making the parties equally strong makes it unnecessary.

We need high wages because we are mostly funded by taxes and we have laws regulating how much deficit there can in the state's budget. We usually aim for a surplus.

In the US the government can just print money and borrow it from themselves. Tax income seems divorced from spending. The population is being reduced to plebs. They don't need to work. If they don't make money they can borrow it cheaply. If they don't pay back the bank will get money from the government instead. Indentured slaves is a good description, indeed. You aren't work slaves anymore, just consumer slaves. The cheap credit also makes the prices for education and healthcare skyrocket. (Things that are tax funded in Sweden, btw).

I am again being reminded of the late era Roman Republic where the rich got richer, work was being done, cheaply, by imported slaves and loyal freedmen while the lower classes descended into poverty and debt.

It is fertile soil for demagogues and populists as long as the citizens have the ability to vote. We will have to see what happens to that..

[SilverEagle]

Okay my rant is over..............for now.

Man, that was a cool rant.

I think just about everybody here in this forum have felt this recently.

Thanks! And I agree I think almost all of us on this forum have felt this. We don't all agree on all things but for the most part we are all awake and not typical sheeple. I hope we can get this thread back on topic because I think it's an important discussion to have.

[apeman]

I agree with most of what is being said in the thread so far. I think you are missing one difference though when it comes to the US.

I live in a country with a lot less income inequality even though we have the same problems with globalization and immigration. A couple of things are different, though. We don't have minimum wage laws. Instead we have central negotiations between employee organizations and unions and clear laws regulating labor conflicts. Our policy is that government shouldn't interfere in the prizing of the labour market and making the parties equally strong makes it unnecessary.

We need high wages because we are mostly funded by taxes and we have laws regulating how much deficit there can in the state's budget. We usually aim for a surplus.

In the US the government can just print money and borrow it from themselves. Tax income seems divorced from spending. The population is being reduced to plebs. They don't need to work. If they don't make money they can borrow it cheaply. If they don't pay back the bank will get money from the government instead. Indentured slaves is a good description, indeed. You aren't work slaves anymore, just consumer slaves. The cheap credit also makes the prices for education and healthcare skyrocket. (Things that are tax funded in Sweden, btw).

I am again being reminded of the late era Roman Republic where the rich got richer, work was being done, cheaply, by imported slaves and loyal freedmen while the lower classes descended into poverty and debt.

It is fertile soil for demagogues and populists as long as the citizens have the ability to vote. We will have to see what happens to that..

Great post, interesting perspective

[SilverEagle]

I agree with most of what is being said in the thread so far. I think you are missing one difference though when it comes to the US.

I live in a country with a lot less income inequality even though we have the same problems with globalization and immigration. A couple of things are different, though. We don't have minimum wage laws. Instead we have central negotiations between employee organizations and unions and clear laws regulating labor conflicts. Our policy is that government shouldn't interfere in the prizing of the labour market and making the parties equally strong makes it unnecessary.

We need high wages because we are mostly funded by taxes and we have laws regulating how much deficit there can in the state's budget. We usually aim for a surplus.

In the US the government can just print money and borrow it from themselves. Tax income seems divorced from spending. The population is being reduced to plebs. They don't need to work. If they don't make money they can borrow it cheaply. If they don't pay back the bank will get money from the government instead. Indentured slaves is a good description, indeed. You aren't work slaves anymore, just consumer slaves. The cheap credit also makes the prices for education and healthcare skyrocket. (Things that are tax funded in Sweden, btw).

I am again being reminded of the late era Roman Republic where the rich got richer, work was being done, cheaply, by imported slaves and loyal freedmen while the lower classes descended into poverty and debt.

It is fertile soil for demagogues and populists as long as the citizens have the ability to vote. We will have to see what happens to that..

Okay that is an interest take that I've never thought about. So under your assumption the American people might be better off if the USD was not the world's reserve currency? The Fed could still print money for the government but it would have great/terrible implications. This is not a complete fix by no means but it's and interesting angle for sure.

[apeman]

So under your assumption the American people might be better off if the USD was not the world's reserve currency? The Fed could still print money for the government but it would have great/terrible implications. This is not a complete fix by no means but it's and interesting angle for sure.

Orthodox economics for hundreds of years assumed sound money was a necessary precondition to a good economy. IT is only relatively recently that policy makers believe that it is OK to have spending permanently outpace taxable receipts. Nowadays, any belief in orthodox econ makes you a weirdo.

This scam will continue to work as long as we have the biggest military, which is what truly backs the currency.

[PartyOf5]

I couldn't agree more GCF. The State views us as worker drones to be used at their disposal from the time we're born to the time we die. For those of you that don't believe/see that ask yourself this.....What happens if your child does not goes to school? Yep that's right the child belongs to the State and you YOU. What happens if you don't pay your property or income taxes? You are forced to do all of that and more by the threat of a gun, literally. Your ass is owned by the State because they said fuck you to freedom long before you or I was born. GCF is correct we all live in a cell with some carrots and sticks to get into a slightly nicer cell but its still a cell in the end. Freedom is a myth...a cute story that we're all fed as children. The only time/way to have freedom is to live as an outlaw but the risks are great. Sometimes you can walk in both worlds and that can get you killed but the taste of true freedom is sweet for the moment you have it.

That's dark. Mainly because you agree with GCF, but the rest has some dark parts too.

I'm not totally on board with the whole notion of not having any freedom and just being in a nice cell. My job is kinda like that, but after I clock out I have quite a bit of freedom. This isn't the wild west anymore, but the country is not one giant concentration camp run by mysterious corporate elites from a glass skybox. I think you're on the right track though.

One thing you should add to your rant is that the general population are not just worker drones but drone consumers as well. You need both in order to keep the machine running.

[PartyOf5]

Dammit! Edit, not quote!