Our Guy Flynn

[de officiis]

Some folks are finally touching on the bigger issues here:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... g-in-jail/

If folks don't think this represents a government in crisis, you're not getting the picture.

[Smitty-48]

They've got Flynn dead to rights, no FISA required, if he's talking to the Russians, then he conspires with them and in doing so violates the Logan Act, that's busted, that's the whole reason why the NSA is allowed to conduct the intercept if one party is an American and the other is a foreign target, in case the American is conspiring with the foreigners, which apparently he was.

Trump's allies in Congress can try to throw up a smoke screen, but if Flynn wasn't the kind of guy who would take the hit for the CinC, they'd have the President in a jackpot for a felony charge, although, I think Flynn is the kind of guy who would take the hit for the CinC, fortunately for Trump.

If Flynn were to turn states evidence and say "yeah, I did it... on the orders of the President", boom, that's game over.

If Trump & Co really are trashing Flynn as being "disloyal" and an "embarassment", they are playing with fire, because Flynn was just an emissary of the President, he's not going to make these sorts of assurances unless he's getting it straight from the top, so if charges come down on Flynn, he then holds the fate of the Presidency in the palm of his hands.

Nixonian is back, baby.

[StCapps]

The Logan Act has never had any teeth. Yawn.

[Smitty-48]

All they need is a felony, that's "teeth" enough, President commits a felony and they've got him in a jackpot for impeachment.

They are out to get Trump, if they catch him in a felony, that's all they need, they want payback, this is a vendetta, they are not going to just let it go.

[StCapps]

All they need is a felony, that's "teeth" enough, President commits a felony and they've got him in a jackpot for impeachment.

They are out to get Trump, if they catch him in a felony, that's all they need, they want payback, they are not going to just let it go.

Name one high profile person who has ever been successfully charged for violating the Logan Act. Even playing that card is a fairly obvious giveaway that their hand is shit, that's straight grasping at straws bro. Anytime someone has no case against the other side they grasp at the Logan Act, yawnville.

[Smitty-48]

You don't have to charge the President with a felony and convict him, to invoke the articles of impeachment, High Crimes and Misdemeanors is not about the felony itself, impeachment is a poltical court, the impeachment is about the violation of the oath, if Flynn were to turn states evidence on Trump, for whatever reason, under subpeona simply tells the truth that Trump ordered him to do it, that's enough to impeach right there, even if they didn't charge Flynn under the Logan Act, even if they didn't charge Trump under the Logan Act, just ordering Flynn to do something in violation of the Logan Act, is an impeachable offence in of itself.

All Bill Clinton did was lie about having sexual relations with that woman, hardly a serious offence in of itself, none the less, Congress was out to get him, so jackpot.

[StCapps]

You don't have to charge the President with a felony and convict him, to invoke the articles of impeachment, High Crimes and Misdemeanors is not about the felony itself, impeachment is a poltical court, the impeachment is about the violation of the oath, if Flynn were to turn states evidence on Trump, for whatever reason, under subpeona simply tells the truth that Trump ordered him to do it, that's enough to impeach right there.

If they can't get Flynn on the Logan Act, they aren't going to get Trump. If they lack any good material to go after Flynn, then how are they going to get him to roll on Trump? That's going to be a tough sell and you know it.

[Smitty-48]

That's not how you get him, you get him the same way you get Clinton, you hold an investigation, in the course of the investigation, you get the President to lie to Congress, you have him sign a deposition which states categorically that he did not order so n' so and this and such, only then do you bring out your states witness to testify that the President is lying, at which point, doesn't matter which felony the President lied about not commiting, the High Crime and Misdimeanor is; Contempt of Congress.

By the sounds of it, Flynn is guilty, they can get Flynn on a felony charge, and apparently they have the goods on him, so I don't see why you think "they got no way to pressure him", they have a felony, which they could get a conviction on, that's all they need, the maximum sentence is ten years i prison, so it ain't no misdemeanor, might not do ten years, but you could certainly do Scooter Libby time for it.

[StCapps]

That's not how you get him, you get him the same way you get Clinton, you hold an investigation, in the course of the investigation, you get the President to lie to Congress, you have him sign a deposition which states categorically that he did not order so n' so and this and such, only then do you bring out your states witness to testify that the President is lying, at which point, doesn't matter which felony the President lied about not commiting, the High Crime and Misdimeanor is; Contempt of Congress.

Political witch hunt that won't actually change fuck all, despite all the hubbub, and it will just solidify the Presidents base. I bet Trump is shaking in his boots at the prospect of hypothetically facing that in a worst case scenario that is unlikely to come to pass even in the Democrats wildest dreams.

[Smitty-48]

I think Trump is actually running scared from it, I think the lawyers told him that this could catch him up in a jackpot, and that's why Trump threw Flynn under the bus, if Trump wasn't running from it, he would have backed Flynn up, I don't buy this "oh, we were about to fire Flynn anyways, throwing Flynn under the bus has nothing to do with the Logan Act..", I think that's what its all about, they went to Trump, they said Flynn is busted, and the next question is going to be "what did the President know and when did he know it", so Flynn needs to go, and go right now, before this thing gets legs.