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[adwinistrator]

Had to be his time at GSU that made him a Commie. Just anoth serious fucking failure under Obama. Leave it to Barry to appoint a Czar loving turncoat as the Director of the DIA





The Pentagon’s top spy agency, like the rest of the intelligence community, was roundly criticized for key intelligence failures in the run-up to the war in Iraq, including finding that Iraq was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction and had close relations with al-Qaeda. It will soon be led by one of those critics, who recently published a trenchant critique of American intelligence in Afghanistan. Lieutenant General Michael T. Flynn, an intelligence insider over his thirty-year career in Army intelligence, was nominated by President Barack Obama to be the next Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). Primarily responsible for providing data on foreign militaries, DIA is part of the Department of Defense.


Born circa 1959 in Middletown, Rhode Island, Michael Flynn is one of nine children of Helen and Charles Flynn, who was a small-town banker. Growing up, Michael Flynn worked at local restaurants and as a lifeguard, graduating Middletown High School in 1977. Flynn earned a B.S. in Management at the University of Rhode Island, where he participated in the ROTC program, in 1981. Flynn has since earned an MBA in Telecommunications from Golden Gate University, an M.A. in Military Arts and Sciences from the United States Army Command and General Staff College, and an M.A. in National Security and Strategic Studies from the United States Naval War College.

http://www.allgov.com/news/appointments ... ews=844368

No no no, didn't you hear? It was all the CIA's fault.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/u ... flynn.html

DIA only fired Flynn because of CIA pressure (lolwut).

DIA wouldn't have made the Iraq intel "mistakes" the CIA made (hahaha, half the intel "mistakes" were pushed from DoD. Rumsfeld->Wolfowitz->Feith)

The CIA ruins everything, the DIA does no wrong, and if they do, it's still the CIA's fault.

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The FBI, which favors standard law enforcement interrogation practices, loses debate with CIA Director George Tenet, and Libi is transferred to CIA custody. Libi is then rendered to Egypt. "They duct-taped his mouth, cinched him up and sent him to Cairo," an FBI agent told reporters. "At the airport the CIA case officer goes up to him and says, 'You're going to Cairo, you know. Before you get there, I am going to find your mother and I'm going to fuck her.'"

Under torture, Libi invents tale of Al Qaeda operatives receiving chemical weapons training from Iraq.

as opposed to;

DIA intelligence summary notes that Libi's "confession" lacks details and suggests that he is most likely telling interrogators what he thinks will "retain their interest." Also states: "Saddam's regime is intensely secular and is wary of Islamic revolutionary movements. Moreover, Baghdad is unlikely to provide assistance to a group it cannot control."

Classified DIA assessment of Iraq's chemical weapons concludes there is "no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons."

[kybkh]

Ooooohhhhhh

[adwinistrator]

The FBI, which favors standard law enforcement interrogation practices, loses debate with CIA Director George Tenet, and Libi is transferred to CIA custody. Libi is then rendered to Egypt. "They duct-taped his mouth, cinched him up and sent him to Cairo," an FBI agent told reporters. "At the airport the CIA case officer goes up to him and says, 'You're going to Cairo, you know. Before you get there, I am going to find your mother and I'm going to fuck her.'"

Under torture, Libi invents tale of Al Qaeda operatives receiving chemical weapons training from Iraq.

as opposed to;

DIA intelligence summary notes that Libi's "confession" lacks details and suggests that he is most likely telling interrogators what he thinks will "retain their interest." Also states: "Saddam's regime is intensely secular and is wary of Islamic revolutionary movements. Moreover, Baghdad is unlikely to provide assistance to a group it cannot control."

Classified DIA assessment of Iraq's chemical weapons concludes there is "no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons."

Hypothetically, if the DIA had been in charge of compiling the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, do you think it would have taken as much effort from Cheney and Rumsfeld to get the results they wanted?

The main tool they used to get the intelligence analysis they wanted to be presented to Bush and his National Security Advisor, was the Douglas Feith's "policy" office he set up in the Department of Defense. They ran offense out of the same department as the DIA.

Back then, the DIA was much smaller than it is now, it was a combat support agency. State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research also got the intel correct, as well as the Department of Energy's Office of Intelligence. Cheney and Rumsfeld knew where they needed to aim their efforts at influencing the consensus, and that was at the oval office, and the CIA, because DCI compiles the NIE (now it's the DNI).

[Smitty-48]

DIA wouldn't have made the Iraq intel "mistakes" the CIA made.

^^^ This was your assertion, I was merely validating/giving credence to it by showing that the DIA did not in fact make the same Iraq intel "mistakes" that the CIA made, and in fact, the DIA specifically contested those mistakes as being mistakes, not after the fact, but in real time.

/shugs

[adwinistrator]

DIA wouldn't have made the Iraq intel "mistakes" the CIA made.

^^^ This was your assertion, I was merely validating/giving credence to it by showing that the DIA did not in fact make the same Iraq intel "mistakes" that the CIA made. /shugs

That was Gen. Flynn's assertion that he made in the NY Times article.

[Smitty-48]

DIA wouldn't have made the Iraq intel "mistakes" the CIA made.

^^^ This was your assertion, I was merely validating/giving credence to it by showing that the DIA did not in fact make the same Iraq intel "mistakes" that the CIA made. /shugs

That was Gen. Flynn's assertion that he made in the NY Times article.

Well I guess General Flynn was right about that, Flynn seems to be on point, maybe President Trump should to make General Flynn his National Security Adviser...

[kybkh]

Has the CIA ever given us reason to doubt their analysis or are we just be silly?

I'd also like to point out, imagine these types of allegations and sanctions being thrown around during the run up to the presidency of someone who when she was elected had a trust rating in the mid-30s.

We'd be taking the word of the CIA and the least trusted presidential candidate ever.

[adwinistrator]

^^^ This was your assertion, I was merely validating/giving credence to it by showing that the DIA did not in fact make the same Iraq intel "mistakes" that the CIA made. /shugs

That was Gen. Flynn's assertion that he made in the NY Times article.

Well I guess General Flynn was right about that, Flynn seems to be on point, maybe President Trump should to make General Flynn his National Security Adviser...

So to repeat my question:

If the DIA had been in charge of compiling the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, do you think it would have taken as much effort from Cheney and Rumsfeld to get the results they wanted?

[kybkh]

What's the point of the question really? Either answer is useless to the conversation.

You are saying bottom line is our clandestine services are gonna bend to the will of who appoints them?

Well, if that's your point what exactly is the CIA doing right now??? Being non-partisan I'm sure.